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McLaren 'spy gate' one step closer to being closed 23 Feb 2009

Espionage at Ferrari and McLaren

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Sawtooth-spike
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proves how rotten to the core f1 is.

I wonder how other F1 fans will take this news. cus to be honest if i wanted to watch a fixed sport i would watch wwf.

Good old max really wish F1 had split, then we would have a sport again.
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Hold your judgements on the fairness of any punishment until you hear the evidence,I have and its astonishing. We're not talking about just the floor protests, it goes much deeper than that.....
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scarbs wrote:Hold your judgements on the fairness of any punishment until you hear the evidence,I have and its astonishing. We're not talking about just the floor protests, it goes much deeper than that.....
oh thats not fair! saying something a juicy as that
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You'll understand I'm bound by some confidentiality here.

Mac had Ferrari info BEFORE the season started and before the Coughlan dossier existed. Emails confirm this, and who the source was and stated how McLaren acted on this detailed data....
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So where does this leave McLaren in terms of building/testing/developing a car for the 2009 season?

And the current drivers??

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simtek101
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And then...

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 26,00.html

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wazojugs
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ferrari might not have won in 2003 and complained about michelin tyres
ferrari could not win in 2005
ferrari could not win in 2006 despite a protest about mass dampers and ended up with egg in there face.
ferrari could not win in 2007 and are protesting again and look likely to win the championships by default and not on the track. If they had been in mclarens postion in the championship then there would not have been a 2nd protest.

Therefore they can't win this fair and square on the track due to reliability problems and hot and cold driving and have to make it up in court. John Todt is a very frightend man and will do anything to win the titles. I sincerly hope that this man does not replace mad max as president and this will be the death of motorsport.

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Grandprix.com and autosport are running so slow, the traffic must be huge. Even on F1T we broke the record for most users today.
Simon: Nils? You can close in now. Nils?
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Mclaren is guilty from day one, the should'nt tolrate these doc's in the team in the first place. at the same time i feel so sorry for them.

now i understan when Alonso said "i made the car 0.5 quiker with my input" <<<<ferrari setup!!!

personally i cant blame ferrari "if Mclaren cars were developed around these doc's" for thier action,,, ferrari has the support of FIA i cant say anything about it,, but at the same time for like 10 years thier development pace and level; was in a class of its own they inetrduced every elemant in modern F1 atarting from the Semi-Auto gearbox.

my point is,,, when someone steals your concepts, innovations and your hard work......and beats u with it,,, thats just insane and no one will stand this.

im not taking sides here but im trying to explain that Mclaren should be panished

after all we should wait for FIA's report,,,, i hate when i realiaze that the sport that i love so much is dying :cry:
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If they are exluded 2007, 2008 I can see Ron packing it all in and giving up on F1.

He always used to want to build boats anyway.

To be fair it will have to be under a new name though because if all this is true the McLaren name will be mud. Sponsors will leave them for a start. Would you want your multi million pound company associated with CHEATS!!??! no
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What could be the future of the pilots?
Alonso on return in the Renault seat?
Hamilton rent for a year (and many $$$) to another team (such as Toyota or Honda, or Red Bull)?
De la Rosa on a Prodrive seat?
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My guess would be Alonso back to Renault.

De La Rosa never to be seen again.

Hamilton to replace Ralf at Toyota due to them offering him millions upon millions of pounds.
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Just another thing...

If Mclaren are exluded from this season it's only fair the drivers are as well.

The drivers should not be allowed thier points if the car they did it in was cheating!!!!

A pitty for the drivers but fair is fair. The only reason they are doing so well is because of the car. They are probably the two best drivers in F1 but they woould not have the same points in a lesser car.
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BBC news 24 reporting

$100 million fine
2007 constructor points stripped
driver points staying

2008 car to be independently checked to make sure no red bits on it
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scarbs wrote:You'll understand I'm bound by some confidentiality here.

Mac had Ferrari info BEFORE the season started and before the Coughlan dossier existed. Emails confirm this, and who the source was and stated how McLaren acted on this detailed data....
scarbs, Ferrari had FIA tech regulations for each and every year before they were officially revealed (domination period). FIA changed tyre regulations 3 time to help Ferrari. Can I prove it? No, because FIA is part of the dirty works in F1 and unfortunately they are the judge and the jury too. How convenient!

I'm still waiting for official decision and than I'll write my goodbye message if this turns out to be the truth.
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