Silly season 2016

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according to autosport red bull wont use renault engines next year and merc wont supply them with their engines

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Schuttelberg wrote: I completely understand Mercedes position that they fear that if RBR lose, they might accuse Mercedes of inequality and give them bad press. Just look at the slack Renault has taken? If I were Mercedes, Ferrari or Honda I wouldn't be keen to supply to them.
I think RBR has done them selves a big disservice by blaming Renault so openly and massively. What did they try to achieve? Which engine manufacturer would now be interested to be the next one to be slaughtered PR wise?

I would even be surprised if Ferrari took them onboard next year especially since Chassis wise Merc probably currently has an advantage over the RB11. For the F15 I heavily doubt that. So they might find RBR in front of them next year much more so than Merc with its excellent Chassis would have to fear.

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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosj ... s-f1-drive

Grosjean to jump ship and go to Haas?

If the Renault-Lotus deal doesn't happen, that might not be such a bad idea.. Jumping ship before it sinks, basically.

Imagine a Grosjean-Vergne lineup for Haas. Now that would be strong, for a new team.

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ME4ME wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosj ... s-f1-drive

Grosjean to jump ship and go to Haas?

If the Renault-Lotus deal doesn't happen, that might not be such a bad idea.. Jumping ship before it sinks, basically.

Imagine a Grosjean-Vergne lineup for Haas. Now that would be strong, for a new team.
It's only a backup plan in case Renault leaves F1, I'd say 60-40 they are buying Lotus and get what they want from B.E but who knows? I think they wouldn't have gone through so much trouble if they weren't serious about staying. Maybe they need engines development opened?

Awful option but maybe the only possible option, Haas will be slow and fighting Marussia, like Caterham - Marussia and Glock, Kova etc, dead end and seconds behind the slowest mid-field team. Except for money I don't see the point. Renault wouldn't be competing for anything either for two seasons (engine and team rebuilding) but at least there's a small chance in three years.

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Buying Lotus would at least keep them in the midfield at the moment. If they can keep Grosjeans services that would be great for them too.
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Maybe Maldonado with his deep pockets to..... Manor? or Sauber?

Engine wise, i thought Manor had a connection with McLaren, so a switch to Honda would be possible...

It would be very funny if Ferrari builds a terrible PU next year (in the back of the RBR) and Renault gets theirs working (who knows, still in the back of the STR)..

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Right now I feel like the engines will be distributed like this:

Mercedes PU: Mercedes, Williams, Force India
Ferrari PU: Ferrari, Red Bull, Sauber, Haas
Renault PU: Lotus, Toro Rosso
Honda PU: McLaren, Manor
Favorite Team: Scuderia Ferrari
Favorite Driver: Nico Hülkenberg

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My silly season Engine Predictions:

Mercedes AMG: Williams, Force India, Manor
Scuderia Ferrari: Red Bull, Sauber, Haas
Honda: McLaren, Toro Rosso
Renault F1: Lotus (However, Lotus will go into Administration and Renault will pick the team up, then sit the season out to develop a good car and develop the engine outside Homologation rules)

20 cars again next year. 22 in 2017 and probably 26 in 2018 after Honda decide to run a B-Team team and Renault desire to run a customer/B-Team team as well.

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ESPImperium wrote:My silly season Engine Predictions:

Mercedes AMG: Williams, Force India, Manor
Scuderia Ferrari: Red Bull, Sauber, Haas
Honda: McLaren, Toro Rosso
Renault F1: Lotus (However, Lotus will go into Administration and Renault will pick the team up, then sit the season out to develop a good car and develop the engine outside Homologation rules)

20 cars again next year. 22 in 2017 and probably 26 in 2018 after Honda decide to run a B-Team team and Renault desire to run a customer/B-Team team as well.
Torro Rosso is more likely to go back to Ferrari power than it is go with a poor engine like Honda.
Mclaren will be stuck at the back of the grid in 2016 with that Honda unit, and if Manor gets its hands on either a 2015 Ferrari or 2015 Mercedes PU for 2015 then Mclaren is a dead duck for sure.

As for the drivers, Perez would be a nice fit with Lotus in place of Maldonado. Maldo could go to Sauber or simply leave the sport.
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Jolle wrote: It would be very funny if Ferrari builds a terrible PU next year (in the back of the RBR) and Renault gets theirs working (who knows, still in the back of the STR)..
Pretty unlikely. Ferrari had shot themselves in the foot last year when they sacrificed ERS to packaging. The ICE seems quite good. Probably less than 20HP off Merc. They won't throw this away. I attribute the gap to Merc at least 50% to the Chassis, probably even more. The gap from Ferrari to Renault is probably much bigger and then you probably have a gap as wide as Renault - Merc to the Honda engine.

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I don't think the mercedes chassis is so good. I think it is comparable to Ferrari. They just run a lot of downforce because they have the power to negate the drag.

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mertol wrote:I don't think the mercedes chassis is so good. I think it is comparable to Ferrari. They just run a lot of downforce because they have the power to negate the drag.
I think that's trivially demonstrated to be false. Mercedes don't really gain a lot of time in high speed corners. They gain it in low speed ones. To me it's clear that the place they pick up speed has nothing to do with running a lot of downforce, or to do with engine power advantage over ferrari. The advantage is in their suspension, chassis stiffness and low speed traction.

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mertol
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So they have lower top speed than other merc teams and don't gain in fast corners but have a good chassis. Something doesn't add up.

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mertol wrote:So they have lower top speed than other merc teams and don't gain in fast corners but have a good chassis. Something doesn't add up.
What doesn't add up? They're awesome in slow corners... And the fact that they don't gain in fast corners relative to Ferrari does not mean that they don't gain in fast corners relative to Force India.

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I will not be surprised if Manor will be Mercedes new junior team ( like Toro Rosso ) and why not inherit the w06 chassis from Merc so they can use Manor also as a test bench with a good chassis from last year.