2015 Singapore Grand Prix - 18-20 September

[Spoutnik]

Ferrari have been always better in slow sector this season, for example setor one in Malaysia.

[Jordan44]

Sort of disproves the common misconception that Mercedes AMG F1 has the "best" chassis, most "efficient" aero.
Their PU advantage has reduced over the past couple of months and this track exaggerates this. The Q3 gap at Monza was not Mercedes AMG F1 turning "down" their engines.

Their masked chassis shortcomings is properly the main deciding factor in not supplying RBR customer spec engines for 2016

You've basically just ignored almost every race so far. Their chassis is widely lauded as the best. Even better than the Red Bulls this year. Their setup just isn't working well with the tyres at this track/surface/temps and they haven't been able to find out and solve it.

Nope, their PU is arguably the best.

That statement doesn't add to your original argument. If it's arguable and their PU is not the best... how can they be dominating with a sub-par chassis and not the best engine like you suggested?

Mercedes were very comfortable in Monaco and Spain and still looked the quickest at Hungary. That certainly points towards a very good chassis.

[Juzh]

Renault engine is far more economical

Biggest joke I've heard this year.

[zeph]

Something doesn't add up. Tire pressure blah blah, sure, but 1.5 seconds?!?

[Shrieker]

Makes me wonder whether something political is going on behind the scenes and not technical as bhall has pointed out.

[Chene_Mostert]

Sort of disproves the common misconception that Mercedes AMG F1 has the "best" chassis, most "efficient" aero.
Their PU advantage has reduced over the past couple of months and this track exaggerates this. The Q3 gap at Monza was not Mercedes AMG F1 turning "down" their engines.

Their masked chassis shortcomings is properly the main deciding factor in not supplying RBR customer spec engines for 2016

You've basically just ignored almost every race so far. Their chassis is widely lauded as the best. Even better than the Red Bulls this year. Their setup just isn't working well with the tyres at this track/surface/temps and they haven't been able to find out and solve it.

Nope, their PU is arguably the best.

That statement doesn't add to your original argument. If it's arguable and their PU is not the best... how can they be dominating with a sub-par chassis and not the best engine like you suggested?

Mercedes were very comfortable in Monaco and Spain and still looked the quickest at Hungary. That certainly points towards a very good chassis.[/quote]

"still looked the quickest at Hungary"
Is that the same as "sandbagging" because the certainly were not quickest in the race?

[Jordan44]

"still looked the quickest at Hungary"
Is that the same as "sandbagging" because the certainly were not quickest in the race?

Hamilton was the quickest in the race in clean air according to the number-crunchers. Rosberg's pace was no where to be seen. However Hamilton's really poor start and his collision didn't do him any favours. If it was Hamilton behind the two Ferraris into T1 I suspect we could have seen a very different race. Plus the qualifying result tells you that Mercedes were indeed the team who could extract the most over one lap when the tyres were in the correct range.

[zeph]

Makes me wonder whether something political is going on behind the scenes and not technical as bhall has pointed out.

I was wondering the same. Hard to believe a car as dominant as the Mercedes loses that much simply because of tire pressure.

[Chene_Mostert]

Makes me wonder whether something political is going on behind the scenes and not technical as bhall has pointed out.

Yes, Now that Toto and Lauda managed to eliminate the title threat from Nico, Lewis has his title "secured", so they had a board meeting and decided to "throw" a couple of races, just looking after the best interest of the sport.
With odds as they are at the moment the can also boost their budget by betting on the opposition.

[dans79]

Makes me wonder whether something political is going on behind the scenes and not technical as bhall has pointed out.

I was wondering the same. Hard to believe a car as dominant as the Mercedes loses that much simply because of tire pressure.

as several of us already said in this thread, its 3 things combined.

1. the layout of the track mutes the Merc power advantage
2. The track layout doesn't allow you to load the sidewalls for long periods of time, and generate heat.
3. increased tire pressures magnifies the issue caused by #2

[Jordan44]

I thought this was supposed to be a technical forum. I expected better than you guys, believing in these stupid conspiracy theories. They've certainly thrown away this race a little bit too much if it's the case, I bet they weren't looking for 5th and 6th place.

There's no doubt about it, there's a technical reason for it. Lauda, Wolff and Lowe were all shell-shocked.

[zeph]

Makes me wonder whether something political is going on behind the scenes and not technical as bhall has pointed out.

I was wondering the same. Hard to believe a car as dominant as the Mercedes loses that much simply because of tire pressure.

as several of us already said in this post, its 3 things combined.

1. the layout of the track mutes the Merc power advantage
2. The track layout doesn't allow you to load the sidewalls for long periods of time, and generate heat.
3. increased tire pressures magnifies the issue caused by #2

Yes, I got all that. But I find it hard to believe that would result in a 1.5s deficit. Losing pole by a few tenths, sure. But 1.5s?

Especially considering the Merc is usually 0.5 to 1s ahead of the next guy.

[bhall II]

I thought this was supposed to be a technical forum. I expected better than you guys, believing in these stupid conspiracy theories.

[Jordan44]

If you don't get the tyres into the right working range they are miles off the ultimate pace. It could be easily 1.5 seconds.

[SectorOne]

Sort of disproves the common misconception that Mercedes AMG F1 has the "best" chassis, most "efficient" aero.
Their PU advantage has reduced over the past couple of months and this track exaggerates this. The Q3 gap at Monza was not Mercedes AMG F1 turning "down" their engines.

Their masked chassis shortcomings is properly the main deciding factor in not supplying RBR customer spec engines for 2016

You've basically just ignored almost every race so far. Their chassis is widely lauded as the best. Even better than the Red Bulls this year. Their setup just isn't working well with the tyres at this track/surface/temps and they haven't been able to find out and solve it.

He´s also ignoring the words of Red Bull themselves about the chassis, the words from the Toro Rosso drivers, the words from Mclaren.

But it´s mnmnracer, he´s always been like that.

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I´m soo tempted to jump on Bhall´s bandwagon here but i think i need to see how Suzuka pans out first