Ground Effect - Bring It Back

[rjsa]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120362

Fingers crossed...

[Blackout]

Some teams want to keep the current large and complexe front wing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120521

[mrluke]

Probably all of the teams that think they have a good one.

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But Green (Force India) and others think we should get rid of that kind of FW if want a less turbulence-sensitive aero...
Who will win?

[scarbs]

It seems the latest plan is to widen the car, widen the tyres and add the beam wing. No ground effect no simpler front wing. The aim is simply to speed up the cars by 5s per lap, no consideration for overtaking!

[Tauri_J]

They have DRS for overtaking so no need to implement ground effect.

So artificial racing continues.

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=D>

Thanks Scarbs.

[ESPImperium]

Hearing from the good old fashioned Twittisphere that Ground Effect will be ditched on cost and control issues. Cost as it will increase the floor cost from €75k-80k to a eye watering €250k+, and each car has 3 spares for every race, and each team will produce 12 to 15 floors a season. And on control issues as the rumour is that three teams took tunnel models away for testing and they couldn't get adequate downforce numbers and flow control in the GE. In effect the cars would be slower and cost more when the cars need to go the other way, they need to be faster and cost less.

I have always said that there is other ways to get the cars faster and cost less, and they way i would go about it is this:

* Keep cars same width - on costs this would be ideal
* Widen front tyres to 2009 width - on speed, this will increase front end bite and balance car out, on costs as well, all the teams know what the loads were up until 2009 so won't be too expensive as well.
* Bring back beam wing with standard 800mm central section that is aero neutral - on speed this will give more rear downforce and on cost isn't too expensive to reintroduce
* Turbo increased by 2 bar and ERS upped from 2mJ to 4mJ class. However costs are capped to €12m for a season for a customer supply. Also 5 engines per driver per season, if you replace a driver in last 6GP, that driver will be allowed one more engine.
* Telemetry 1 - 12 guys in the garage and 8 on the pit wall have access to it during any session, downloadable after the session to be beamed back to HQ.
* Telemetry 2 - Each car will run a standardised telemetry with the Standard ECU, customer teams will then have access to full power modes and source codes that way so to better integrate engine braking and maximise engine power for them. This will bring them closer to the front teams.
* Tyre War - Each manufacturer will have a standard medium compound that goes to each race with each team selecting weather to take a soft or hard to each race by themselves. Each driver will have two Super Soft compounds per race weekend (One for P3 and one for Quali) so that the teams can use them whenever in the quail session, this compound will last no more than 5 full laps and be 2 seconds a lap faster than any other compound. The Super Soft will give good grip for two timed laps. The Medium compound shall be able to do 40% of a race distance with a Hard doing 50% and a soft doing 25% on average. Meaning the more abrasive the track the more stops.

Those would be my ideal changes.

[djos]

They seem pretty reasonable to me. I guess that rules them out then, we can't have F1 rules being reasonable now can we?

[mertol]

They don't have to cost less and by now it's clear they can't cost less. If the floors are cheap then teams will spend it on something else. They have to earn more not cost less.

[scarbs]

Increased costs for floors makes no sense? They're the same size as before and development will be frozen for the full tunnel RBR proposal or the same as currently for the Whiting raised reference plane proposal.
So development and production costs equal...

[bucker]

It is so simple. Bring 2005 season rules back. Last season interesting to watch.

[Andres125sx]

Hearing from the good old fashioned Twittisphere that Ground Effect will be ditched on cost and control issues. Cost as it will increase the floor cost from €75k-80k to a eye watering €250k+, and each car has 3 spares for every race, and each team will produce 12 to 15 floors a season. And on control issues as the rumour is that three teams took tunnel models away for testing and they couldn't get adequate downforce numbers and flow control in the GE. In effect the cars would be slower and cost more when the cars need to go the other way, they need to be faster and cost less.

Then the problem obviously is they were afraid of going too far with GEs, and finally went too short. As easy to solve as increasing GEs a bit more with longer tunnels, and/or wider/higher measures. It is this simple.

About costs, I´ve never considered GEs to be a cost saving measure, any change is expensive that´s obvious, but it may be a racing saving measure, wich is as important as costs


btw agree about limiting telemetry, to me it´s ridiculous the number of engineers checking telemetry from each car constantly

[adriannewey9864]

definately bring GE back, with the barge board area being sucked by a fan, also bigger air intakes for more ram effect, and huge pikes peak style rear and front wings, without all that 6 element spindly bullshit, and a special type of skirt with new technology that is in contact with the ground more of the time, with some sort of aero flap that deploys when it all goes to ---, and finally bigger sidepod hole area for enhanced cooling, with wider, thicker and taller rims and tyres, both front and back.

[Cold Fussion]

* Turbo increased by 2 bar and ERS upped from 2mJ to 4mJ class. However costs are capped to €12m for a season for a customer supply. Also 5 engines per driver per season, if you replace a driver in last 6GP, that driver will be allowed one more engine.

I know your general strategy is throwing everything at the wall and hope everything sticks but perhaps you should considering reading the technical regulations before making such ridiculous statements. The ERS is already limited to 4 MJ/lap and there is no boost limit.