Mclaren Honda 2015

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Stats can be a powerful thing. And you can shape them to mean just about anything, unfortunately. If we look at the last 3 races, that same trend line is showing up. Of course, it's more complex than that, because comparing to the pole lap time also means you are comparing it to a moving target.

Also, taking that progression line, one could deduct that McLaren might actually hit the pole time in.... 5 years? :twisted:

I think the most important progression McLaren has shown is that their reliability seems to be in order, so they are able to put the components under more strain and load without it disintegrating. I am also hopeful that they have identified where their shortcomings are and what they need to do in order to solve it in regards to 2016. I also hope that McLaren and Honda can work together as a singular entity in order to find the right compromise - a compromise between any size-zero concept, aero and performance. In fact, looking at how complex it is to evolve the PU through limitations of tokens etc, I think Ferrari have it right; They've upped the power and now their goal is to shrink down the size (for aero gains) while not losing performance. McLaren-Honda seemed to have gone the other way this year - size-zero for aero gains but lacking the performance as a result.

I think adequate power delivery should be their focus, then once you've achieved that, either work around it with the chassis to improve as much as you can, while the engine can then be developed into something more tightly packaged. If they try to do everything at the same time, like they probably did this year - it's going to be extremely hard to hit all the targets at the same time. Then you have precisely what happens; You fight reliability, as a result of lack of reliability you have lack of performance, and the aero doesn't work either because again, you are sacrificing pretty much everything in order to complete the race.
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Phil wrote:I think the most important progression McLaren has shown is that their reliability seems to be in order, so they are able to put the components under more strain and load without it disintegrating. I am also hopeful that they have identified where their shortcomings are and what they need to do in order to solve it in regards to 2016.
Exactly, that graph try to analyse perfomance, ignoring reliability play a big role there.

Honda had so poor reliability they only tried to finish races in first part of the season, and they did, so they´ve acually improved along the season, something that graph do not show

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Can we say reliability is in order yet? Has any part of the PU actually made it through 4 race distances yet?

Yes, they seem to be getting through a race now, but that's still some way short of the target...

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I wonder what their strategy will be in 2016. I still think that a needed bigger turbine, for better ERS harvesting, limits their turbo's max rpm. To compensate this they need to increase the compressor also. Would it be possible for them harvest enough energy, still be able to fit the compressor inside the V and have adequate cooling under he size zero bonnet.

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Someone seriously needs to punch Ron in the face....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34549164
Magnussen, who was 23 on 5 October, says he was informed by chairman Ron Dennis's personal assistant.
"It was a short paragraph explaining there would be nothing for me in the future. It arrived on my birthday, actually," he said.
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dans79 wrote:Someone seriously needs to punch Ron in the face....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34549164
Magnussen, who was 23 on 5 October, says he was informed by chairman Ron Dennis's personal assistant.
"It was a short paragraph explaining there would be nothing for me in the future. It arrived on my birthday, actually," he said.

I may not have been Ron's decision, but since they couldn't offer Kevin a drive there wasn't much for him to do
there anyway he can't be a reserve driver forever

The Magnussens must have mixed feelings about McLaren....

to get a drive it seems you have to either bring a pile of money or be a WC

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langwadt wrote:
dans79 wrote:Someone seriously needs to punch Ron in the face....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34549164
Magnussen, who was 23 on 5 October, says he was informed by chairman Ron Dennis's personal assistant.
"It was a short paragraph explaining there would be nothing for me in the future. It arrived on my birthday, actually," he said.

I may not have been Ron's decision, but since they couldn't offer Kevin a drive there wasn't much for him to do
there anyway he can't be a reserve driver forever

The Magnussens must have mixed feelings about McLaren....

to get a drive it seems you have to either bring a pile of money or be a WC
Even if it wasn't his decision, it was definitely within his power to do it personally, and it's absolutely unacceptable to fire someone via email on their birthday.
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Yeah, RBR look like a bunch of classless jerks with their antics, but this takes 'jerk-ness' to another level.

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dans79 wrote:
langwadt wrote:
dans79 wrote:Someone seriously needs to punch Ron in the face....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34549164

I may not have been Ron's decision, but since they couldn't offer Kevin a drive there wasn't much for him to do
there anyway he can't be a reserve driver forever

The Magnussens must have mixed feelings about McLaren....

to get a drive it seems you have to either bring a pile of money or be a WC
Even if it wasn't his decision, it was definitely within his power to do it personally, and it's absolutely unacceptable to fire someone via email on their birthday.
agreed, doing it by email an not even from Ron, but from his assistant, is no way to treat an employee.

They already screwed him twice by letting him think there might be a drive for him

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Sorry, couldn't help but, considering all the Kevin shenanigans going on, I found this amusing:

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/139 ... ron-dennis
ESPN F1 wrote:Ron Dennis says Kevin Magnussen deserves to have a career in Formula One after news broke on Friday that the Dane has left McLaren.

Magnussen raced for McLaren last year but this season was dropped to the position of reserve driver with the arrival of Fernando Alonso alongside Jenson Button. He has now been informed there will not be a role for him at McLaren in 2016, leaving him with very few options in F1 if talks with the new Renault works team fall through.

"He is a very talented racing driver, and he deserves to have a Formula One career, as Jenson [Button] has publicly said," Dennis said in a McLaren statement. "Evidently, we have no space for him at McLaren-Honda as a race driver next year, but there is no shame in being edged out by two world champions, Fernando and Jenson.

"We wish Kevin well, and will do all we can to help him successfully embark on the next chapter of his racing career."

Dennis paid tribute to Magnussen's achievements at McLaren.

"Kevin has always done a very impressive and professional job for McLaren in the five years since he joined our Young Driver Programme in 2010. In 2014 he raced very well alongside Jenson, who is a hugely experienced and very quick World Champion. Kevin's grand prix debut in Melbourne last year was rewarded with a podium that day that he, and we, can be justifiably proud of.

"Kevin has continued to work hard for us in 2015, supporting Fernando and Jenson, although he was understandably frustrated not to be racing. He is extremely keen to return to racing next year, and, in keeping with our tradition with our young drivers, we will not stand in the way of his ability to fulfil his ambition and potential."
:lol: I wonder if he said the same to Montoya and Perez....
Friendship with Honda ended, Renault is my new (and more reliable) friend.

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superdowg316 wrote: :lol: I wonder if he said the same to Montoya and Perez....
I think since 2005, McLaren has not been a very stable team for drivers. Montoya, Alonso, Kovalainen, Perez and Magnussen are drivers who drove for a year or two before being asked to leave.

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http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... for_Honda/

seems Arai is not sad about criticism and now mclaren claiming engine step is better than expected. i guess Alonso should start criticising a bit more :D

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ScottB wrote:Can we say reliability is in order yet? Has any part of the PU actually made it through 4 race distances yet?

Yes, they seem to be getting through a race now, but that's still some way short of the target...
Obviously, but they´re moving forward wich is not easy with this rules

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Well, luckily in-season development has been opened for 2016, as well as a token increase so that's good news. Also no components will be under "black marked" lock down just yet.

The real problem now is time and lack of track testing. But between now and the end of next season Honda has a lot of freedom to do what they feel necessary to improve, which is good.

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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda ... ontent=www

Another article to wet people's appetites