It didn't start until January 2015, according to the Financial times.alexx_88 wrote:That phrase looks like political correctness and nothing more. What's weird is that Ilmor Engineering's turnover hasn't changed much in 2014 compared to previous years, suggesting that either the RB connection is quite weak or that the research is funded in some other way.
https://companycheck.co.uk/company/0547 ... ED/summary
You clearly haven't spent enough time in big corporations to recognise that's corporate speak with just enough ambiguity to allow him to change his mind in the future if his own staff continue to screw up!FoxHound wrote:Did you read the story Djos?djos wrote:No Renault rejected Mario illien's work completely.lebesset wrote:early in the year it was announced that Ilmor were working on developing the ICE for renault and that was expected to be ready after the summer break ; cylinder head modifications were mentioned at the time
is this is what has been installed in the updated ICE which is available for Austin ?
could be the delay has been either at ilmor or mecachrome who actually manufacture the renault engines
http://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/renaul ... pe-option/
They have not rejected it completely!
Why would Renault decline a hand if it meant an advance better than they already have planned?Renault has decided against adopting a prototype design produced by engine guru Mario Illien, but has not ruled out using some of his concepts in its future Formula 1 power units.
Abiteboul clearly explains why.Cyril wrote:I think collaboration is good, It is good to work with people outside, because there is no way you can improve inside if you do not put yourself in competition but also in partnership with people that are outside. So first – it is good to get an external look, and support and feedback.
But right now in our current engine, or the engine that is coming, there is nothing which is coming from Ilmor.
But that is not to say there won't be anything in the future, or that it has not had a positive influence on what we will be doing at the end of this season.
On the relationship with Ilmor, I am not saying it has no value. What I am saying is that for the time being, there is nothing proven which will be used in the engine that we will be using.”
One flaw in your theory, last I checked Ilmor in Europe is not owned by illien anymore, it's owned by Mercedes.FoxHound wrote:And it is becoming apparent, Mario Illien is running a full blown engine research programme within Red Bull at Milton Keynes.Phil wrote: Perhaps Illiens work have some of this in mind in regards to the RedBull, but not what Renault perhaps wants to achieve under the assumption they acquire the Enstone team and can optimize more to their advantage for 2016
Yup, you read it here...not first...TJ13 has been beating the drum on this for sometime now, and I have mentioned it here on a couple of occasions, and got ridiculed by mods and peers alike.... :-"
But Building 9, is now the location of a Red Bull funded engine project.
http://thejudge13.com/2015/10/06/red-bu ... -for-2016/Obviously been the pedantic a$$, I researched a little more, and found myself balls deep in some Sky and FT.com clippings.Meanwhile, Mario Illien of Ilmor fame has been working in Red Bull’s building 9 for most of 2015 and has a team of some 50 strong engineers alongside him. Yet it is surely a bridge too far for Mario and Red Bull to develop their F1 V6 turbo hybrid power unit in what would be just about 12 months?
Wayyyy back in June 2014, stories circulated, Red Bull set the project up and have confidentiality clauses regarding most aspects of the project.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/ ... rks-outfit
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e15bdce6-9bfa ... z3pO9LK04H
And with Illien heavily invested in "single cylinder" research at Building 9, within Red Bull, how easily can this be relayed into a full blown manufacturer project? It's just a step away now...Ilmor Engineering said on Wednesday it was restricted by confidentiality agreements from commenting on the collaboration. But Red Bull, one of the teams that used the Renault engine last season, has confirmed the link-up. It will give Renault access to Mario Illien, Ilmor’s co-founder and a long-time F1 engine designer.
It should also be mentioned that Ilmor engineering can be integrated very swiftly into Red Bull for a number of reasons.
Firstly, Ilmor engineering is a stones throw away from Milton Keynes, at Brixworth.
Ilmor staff are currently working with Red Bull at building 9, integration would be a formality.
Ilmor are a limited company with direct sale-ability.
They would be cheaper than other options such as Ricardo engineering, Cosworth or Mahle.
Pedigree.
With Pankl and AVL being cited as possible suppliers to any F1 engine programme....
http://www.auto123.com/en/news/f1-helmu ... 015/18116/
Finally...Nah, not when it cannot be clearly ascertained what Illien is doing. Everything done at Red Bull cannot be deemed just for Renault.Phil wrote:EDIT: All this talk on Illien should be in the Renault V6 topic.......
The thread is of an "engine crisis". Here is Red Bull doing something about a "Red Bull's engine crisis", which I feel is way more appropriate name to the thread, given that it is only Red Bull who is upset with the current engines(costs aside).
Yes and based mainly in the USA last I heard and still part owned by Roger Penske.NL_Fer wrote:Ilmor was completly taken over by Mercedes, but the special projects part was broken away, owned by Mario Illien and now renamed to Ilmor Engineering. They have built engines for Indycar.
Would a 2.2 be more efficient ICE than a 1.6 and how would they overcome efficiency deficity, by not running H-ERS (Hybrid Turbocharger)
Which is quite hilarious considering how well their own ideas have worked to date!PlatinumZealot wrote:Renault said the ideas from illmore was not better than what they had already so they stuck to what they had..
Honestly Djos,djos wrote:
One flaw in your theory, last I checked Ilmor in Europe is not owned by illien anymore, it's owned by Mercedes.
Their base is in Brixworth, UK.In 2005, Mario Illien concluded a deal to purchase the Special Projects part of the company in partnership with Roger Penske, which was under contract with Honda Performance Development to jointly develop IndyCar engines between 2003 and 2006 (since 2007, Honda Indy V8 runs its fully own engine program).[1] This new company, which is totally independent of Mercedes, is once again known as Ilmor Engineering Ltd.
I stand corrected.FoxHound wrote:Honestly Djos,djos wrote:
One flaw in your theory, last I checked Ilmor in Europe is not owned by illien anymore, it's owned by Mercedes.
When picking out flaws, make sure it is a flaw before posting. Imor engineering is very much Mario Illien's, it is independent of Mercedes. A simple Google search would have told you this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilmor
Their base is in Brixworth, UK.In 2005, Mario Illien concluded a deal to purchase the Special Projects part of the company in partnership with Roger Penske, which was under contract with Honda Performance Development to jointly develop IndyCar engines between 2003 and 2006 (since 2007, Honda Indy V8 runs its fully own engine program).[1] This new company, which is totally independent of Mercedes, is once again known as Ilmor Engineering Ltd.
no news on this...
