How so?Blackout wrote:Its clear the latter wasnt cooperative and transparent enough.
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Renault's Cyril Abiteboul has revealed that the French manufacturer aims to continue its ascent in the engine department as the company is preparing a completely new platform, including novel technology that has not yet been seen on the track.
How so?Blackout wrote:Its clear the latter wasnt cooperative and transparent enough.
In a word, Newey, He has a history of not working with his engine supplier, to build a complete package. He does his own thing and then blames the engine manufacture when the package isn't competitive or has issues (a lot of overheating). His history of this goes all they way back to his McLaren days.Juzh wrote:How so?Blackout wrote:Its clear the latter wasnt cooperative and transparent enough.
Wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what they do starting next year.Blackout wrote:When you take a closer look to Renault's record in F1, especially since the early 90's, you will notice they always had the same philosophy; Renault always:
-looked at the engine from a chassis-maker point of view aswell
-worked very closely with its chassis partners
-been keen to trade power for more lightness/less consumption/compactness/driveability and even cost
So their goal isn't to produce the most powerful engine, they want an engine that makes the fastest engine-chassis package... Even in the Williams-Benetton/2005-2006/Milton Keynes-Enstone years...
Renault scarified 40hp for the diffuser blowing for Red Bull.
As Permane ans Key said in recent interviews, Renault does not really have customer teams, it has semi-constructor teams and it still works with each team in-order to adapt its power unit to each chassis and vice versa. The 'secondary' engine components are often placed where the teams want them to be. Just compare the STR10 and RB11 PU and you will notice they do not have the same ERS wiring/exhaust/wastegate design etc (which might be surprising since the PUs are frozen)... while Mercedes and Ferrari provide the exact same components to every team and let them deal with it. Everything is identical in the Merc Fer PU except the radiators/intercoolers (well the Ferrari V-intercooler is a particular case) which are considered to be bodywork parts and must be produced by the chassis makers. While everything is different for the Renault teams since 2014 aside from the V6.
Renault should have proceeded just like Merces and Ferrari in 2014 and concentrate all the resources in a single spec PU and team. They clearly underestimated the new challenge and/or couldn't find a real chassis partner in Red Bull. Its clear the latter wasnt cooperative and transparent enough.
That's why the Renault philosophy and its business model do not work anymore with the new Power unit.
Expected.djos wrote:From the rb11 topic, apparently
"Renault is not using the whole new engine upgrades, only the new ICE will be in RIC car. Turbo charger not ready to race yet."
So either Renault are incompetent (was that ever in doubt?) Our they are paying silly buggers !
nope , everything is ready for weeks, they just upgraded ICE because penalties (red bull doesn't want more than 10) and altitude wouldn't make it work fully as they plan!djos wrote:From the rb11 topic, apparently
"Renault is not using the whole new engine upgrades, only the new ICE will be in RIC car. Turbo charger not ready to race yet."
So either Renault are incompetent (was that ever in doubt?) Our they are paying silly buggers !
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricci ... -for-2016/PlatinumZealot wrote:Brazil is at altitude so possibly they want a straight ICE comparison under race conditions without the turbos influence? Possibly nonsensical but hey... A turbo is not too hard to build and they had the whole year to build a new MGUH... the existing one already being a pretty good one.
Source? Or just your oppinion?ReoPTy wrote:red bull doesn't want more than 10
As far as I know, they would have to take a new engine anyway. The choice was whether they take the updated version or not.ME4ME wrote:Source? Or just your oppinion?ReoPTy wrote:red bull doesn't want more than 10
I don't think Red Bull has much to lose, they already showed they are willing to compromise the race to actually find out how Renault's updates perform.
The Renault farce continues, no wonder RedBull want anything other than a Renault PU!Sevach wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricci ... -for-2016/PlatinumZealot wrote:Brazil is at altitude so possibly they want a straight ICE comparison under race conditions without the turbos influence? Possibly nonsensical but hey... A turbo is not too hard to build and they had the whole year to build a new MGUH... the existing one already being a pretty good one.
Kvyat was slightly faster than Ricciardo in S3 and crossed the line 1 KM/h faster.
At least it didn't blow up...
kooleracer wrote:Renault doesn't have to expertise in Viry the turn this project around its as simple as that. It's sad to come to that conclusion but if you spend 7 tokens and there is no improvement and Mercedes spends 7 tokens and the make a significant step on a already excellent PU than Renault need to worry about the path of development. If Renault was allowed to have free development in doubt that would even make difference.