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Renault's Cyril Abiteboul has revealed that the French manufacturer aims to continue its ascent in the engine department as the company is preparing a completely new platform, including novel technology that has not yet been seen on the track.
Renault just screwed the pooch on this one. Good grief. Now going back to Illien after telling him, “Thanks but…no thanks.” I am glad they may be doing it because I want all engines competitive, but this is one hell of a learning experience over at Renault. Hats off to Merc because they got something right that a lot of very smart people got very wrong.toraabe wrote:Well.. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... -progress/
.You can imagine all you like, Mercedes only spent 7 tokens on their ice at Monza and got a clear benefit from it.
Chuckjr wrote:Renault just screwed the pooch on this one. Good grief. Now going back to Illien after telling him, “Thanks but…no thanks.” I am glad they may be doing it because I want all engines competitive, but this is one hell of a learning experience over at Renault. Hats off to Merc because they got something right that a lot of very smart people got very wrong.toraabe wrote:Well.. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... -progress/
“And with a fresh determination to make much-needed gains to its power unit, Renault thinks that getting Illien's short-term input would be a way of accelerating its progress.
This comes despite Renault having been sceptical earlier this year about work Illien did on new engine components, having been brought in by Red Bull to try to improve things.
Renault rejected Illien's original new cylinder proposal to instead go on its own development route, but that proved a let down in Brazil when a new internal combustion engine did not deliver the step that had been hoped for.
That disappointment may well have been the catalyst for the company to think that Illien's input could indeed be of help.”
Yep, good old French pride and arrogance getting shown up once again, now all of a sudden they need Mario to save them!toraabe wrote:Well.. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... -progress/
Renault's turbo is not a tiny little unit like Honda's so it should have still been able to provide evidence of progress.ReoPTy wrote:You can imagine all you like, Mercedes only spent 7 tokens on their ice at Monza and got a clear benefit from it.
mercedes ICE has a sized enough turbo to work with,
The worst part is where Abiteboul is telling that there are no plans in place for Renault in 2016 because Goshn has still to decide what to do.toraabe wrote:Well.. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... -progress/
so now "french arrogance", should write a note to FIA to give mercedes "threat to quit F1 without hybrid" all datas + 3 years and 3x more money to develop the beast that put to other 1s to thier tail , and should thanx Fia to freeze all the --- till this year!djos wrote:Yep, good old French pride and arrogance getting shown up once again, now all of a sudden they need Mario to save them!toraabe wrote:Well.. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... -progress/
Imagine how much progress they'd have made this year if they accepted his help funded by RedBull in the first place?
RedBull have been right all along to be deeply upset with Renault and this just provides final proof!
oh so while 4 years renault was winning and they treated to quit ?djos wrote:Thanks for proving my point, keep up the good work!
Ps you do realise Renault actually threatened to quit if the FiA didn't introduce the turbo hybrids right?
Do you enjoy being wrong?ReoPTy wrote:oh so while 4 years renault was winning and they treated to quit ?djos wrote:Thanks for proving my point, keep up the good work!
Ps you do realise Renault actually threatened to quit if the FiA didn't introduce the turbo hybrids right?
nope, it was mercedes ! you can google mercedes !
of course renault didn't went against it !
Renault is threatening to pull out of Formula 1 if the much-discussed new 1.6-litre, four-cylinder turbo engine formula for 2013 is not soon confirmed by the FIA. Many people in F1 believe the new formula will be put off for a year or two, and some hope the FIA will relent and opt instead for a turbo V6. Following more than a year’s discussions with the teams and engine suppliers, the FIA is expected to make a decision on delaying the new formula by the end of the month.
Renault is the only enthusiastic supporter of the tiny turbo concept, which has failed to attract interest from new manufacturers. Both Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz prefer V8s or at least V6s, and everyone is worried about the costs of building and developing new engines. Still, FIA president Jean Todt is a big proponent of the small-capacity turbo and with Renault’s strong support he may insist on that formula. McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has been deeply involved in formal talks about the new formula and discussed the matter in Montréal.
The switch to the new turbo engines for 2014 was essential to prevent Mercedes from thinking about quitting Formula 1, a senior board member from the German car manufacturer has revealed.
It is already widely known that Renault would have left F1 if the V8 engines had stayed, while Honda would not be coming back in 2015 if the regulations had not changed either.
But now Thomas Weber, the Daimler board of management member who is head of R&D, has made it clear that the German car manufacturer's commitment to F1 would also have been in doubt if things had not changed.