Kimi using different tires at the same time in chinese GP

Here are our CFD links and discussions about aerodynamics, suspension, driver safety and tyres. Please stick to F1 on this forum.
Belatti
Belatti
33
Joined: 10 Jul 2007, 21:48
Location: Argentina

Post

I think Ayrton Senna tried that in some races of 1991 (asimetrical tyre compounds). I don´t remember if it worked out, the thing was that he suffered tyre asimetrical wear.

Speaking about worn tyres, did anyone notice Hamilton´s rear right tyre white "cloth" in his last lap before he abandoned?
"You need great passion, because everything you do with great pleasure, you do well." -Juan Manuel Fangio

"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication and competence." -Ayrton Senna

User avatar
Rob W
0
Joined: 18 Aug 2006, 03:28

Post

bizadfar wrote:well i would have to disagree there Rob, it might 12% laterally, but no way under decelerating!

They do it LOTS in other motorsports. And in some where they are not allowed to fit different compounds...
For sure. Most likely only in oval/loop racing. In any series where there is straights and hard breaking zones it wouldn't be that useful - far less useful than getting the car balanced correctly with the same tires. Everything - cornering/accelerating/breaking - would be affected adversely with asymmetrically levels of grip.

(in something like NASCAR it would be idea - but they're not allowed to - the cars have to use the same tires and also be balanced evenly left-to-right)

Rob W

FLC
FLC
0
Joined: 10 Mar 2006, 14:01

Post

Belatti wrote:Speaking about worn tyres, did anyone notice Hamilton´s rear right tyre white "cloth" in his last lap before he abandoned?
There you go:
Image
Image

By the way, is the inside more worn because of the camber?

Belatti
Belatti
33
Joined: 10 Jul 2007, 21:48
Location: Argentina

Post

Thanks FLC!
FLC wrote:By the way, is the inside more worn because of the camber?
Yep, imagine having no rubber in the part of the tyre you need most! Quite difficult to drive in that condition!

I still can´t believe what McLaren guys where thinking and also can´t believe why Lewis didn´t said "Hey guys, let me in, this car is losing its performance"
"You need great passion, because everything you do with great pleasure, you do well." -Juan Manuel Fangio

"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication and competence." -Ayrton Senna

kimi
kimi
0
Joined: 06 Jul 2007, 19:19
Location: india

Post

it was shockin dat d mclaren guys didnt let lewis in..his tyres were so worn out that d canvas was clearly visible..well one mistake n he was out of d race n may be the championship :lol:

User avatar
HKS
0
Joined: 05 Mar 2007, 06:37

Post

"Mclaren wasn't racing Kimi but they they were racing Fernando" as said by out very own saint Ron :lol:

So Ron thought Fernando is as stupid Lewis would would kill his tyres.

Lewis's driving makes his tyres even worse and I can tell you that this guy doesn't care much about his tyres.

bizadfar
bizadfar
0
Joined: 03 Jan 2007, 15:51

Post

Schumi we miss you wrote:"Mclaren wasn't racing Kimi but they they were racing Fernando" as said by out very own saint Ron :lol:

So Ron thought Fernando is as stupid Lewis would would kill his tyres.

Lewis's driving makes his tyres even worse and I can tell you that this guy doesn't care much about his tyres.
I'd agree with you that his driving style is not very kind to tyres (or his setup). People praise his car control. But for me the car control kings were Senna and Schumacher because at the same time they could have:
*Amazing car control
*Be fast (okok, to avoid arguments, I'm going to say in their respective eras)
*Manage their tyres.

BUT, saying that, Lewis could not see the state of his rear tyres (that is down to canvas) because his mirrors were filled with murkiness. Still a weak excuse as the team should've handled it far better, TV images were all over it. Plus the driver could clearly feel sliperriness.

man remember Schumacher's first win? "I saw bla bla tyres when I went off and they were gone"

Did Lewis have a look at Jarno's tyres? looool

axle
axle
3
Joined: 22 Jun 2004, 14:45
Location: Norfolk, UK

Post

Vettel looked like he had Hard Rears and Soft Fronts on at the end...not sure if anyone has a picture...

As for McLaren not bringing him in, it was a really odd decision, one whereby they said they were being cautious trying to not bring him in too early. Where on earth is the logic in that? The risk when canvas is exposed (1+ laps before he attempted to pit) far out weigh any stratagy issue! It was a crazy, slow witted, response. An F1 team must be ready for anything, act swiftly and decisively, that's the sign of real leadership and race craft. McLaren's display was immature for such a big team.
- Axle

kimi
kimi
0
Joined: 06 Jul 2007, 19:19
Location: india

Post

u said it mate..it was indeed a very slow reaction 4ma team like mclaren..it was completely clear 4m lewis's lap times dat he was struggling..he lapped 2 laps 4 1m 50s n d next two laps 4 1m 55s before comin 2 d pits..he lost almost everythin dat he had durin dose laps..what i feel its d most embarrassing retirement of this season,may be albers's retirement was d worst one...

casper
casper
5
Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 02:56
Location: Equatorial Guinea

Post

I just watched the replay in the supersport channel on cable this afternoon. Kimi's right wheel is indeed inters, showing a center white line, while the other 3 wheels do not have the white lines. And some sides of the road are still damp during the last lap.

User avatar
NaZzO
0
Joined: 12 Jul 2007, 08:46
Location: Montreal, Canada

Post

casper wrote:I just watched the replay in the supersport channel on cable this afternoon. Kimi's right wheel is indeed inters, showing a center white line, while the other 3 wheels do not have the white lines. And some sides of the road are still damp during the last lap.
duude ...during kimi's last pit stop his car was fitted with the softer range of tire, all four of them. but tyre wear was significant (as was pointed out by the gentlemen on this forum) due to a longer stint than usual while he was carrying more fuel thus the white line got worn out...

bizadfar
bizadfar
0
Joined: 03 Jan 2007, 15:51

Post

some ppl just want to follow in MC's footsteps and stir up rubbish.

kimi
kimi
0
Joined: 06 Jul 2007, 19:19
Location: india

Post

i just saw the ITV telecast of chinese GP n it was clear that in both kimi n massa's car all four tyres were the softer ones.it was just the tyre wear for which the white mark was not visible.

mx_tifoso
mx_tifoso
0
Joined: 30 Nov 2006, 05:01
Location: North America

Post

In Ferrari's official site they are currently showing a picture of Kimi as he drives through the main straight for victory with only the right-front tire showing the white stripe. And then this picture of the F2007 during the podium celebration with the clearly visible white stripe only on the right front as well.
Image
Have we come up with a conclusion? The rest of the three tires lines were worn out, and only the right front was left visible: softer compound on all four tires.

I never quite understood if that was the final verdict or not.

And this pic as well.
Image
Forum guide: read before posting

"You do it, then it's done." - Kimi Räikkönen

Por las buenas soy amigo, por las malas soy campeón.

kimi
kimi
0
Joined: 06 Jul 2007, 19:19
Location: india

Post

well i am a bit confused about the verdict u r talking about.. :)

anyways you are rite that the white mark is not visible.its due to the tyre wear.but as i have said in the pit stop kimi's car was fitted with four softer tyres only.