2016-2017 chassis and engine rules (proposed)

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"The current problem revolves round engine costs and supply," he explained. "The solution would be rules allowing only two engines per car per season.

"This would simultaneously double supply and halve costs. Today's engines would require only a modest adjustment to achieve that.

"The engine suppliers would immediately say it was impossible and would be a disaster, but in the history of F1 there has never once been a case where such predictions have proved accurate".

- Max Mosley

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Fer.Fan wrote:http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-web ... -2016.html

Interesting!!! =D> =D> =D>
That was published before the regs fixed the wastegate tailpipe position into the same area as the main exhaust.

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FW17 wrote:"The current problem revolves round engine costs and supply," he explained. "The solution would be rules allowing only two engines per car per season.

"This would simultaneously double supply and halve costs. Today's engines would require only a modest adjustment to achieve that.

"The engine suppliers would immediately say it was impossible and would be a disaster, but in the history of F1 there has never once been a case where such predictions have proved accurate".

- Max Mosley
If reducing the number of power units per season is indeed the right solution, why not allowing just one power unit per season - as is the case in DTM?

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It would mean no in-season development.

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ME4ME wrote:It would mean no in-season development.
That would indeed be a consequence. But with the engine usage already being limited, so is in-season engine development, regardless the existence of any so-called token system.

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Max Mosley, the man who brought us grooved tires, isn't the brightest bulb when it comes to technical matters. It's the cost of development that makes power units so expensive, and development costs cannot be curtailed by production limits.

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bhall II wrote:Max Mosley, the man who brought us grooved tires, isn't the brightest bulb when it comes to technical matters. It's the cost of development that makes power units so expensive, and development costs cannot be curtailed by production limits.
=D> =D> =D>

Well said, can you imagine the amount of money they'd pour into pre-season development?

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djos wrote:The wider rear tires and bigger rear diffuser certainly look a lot better, Im not sold on the rear wing tho. It would have been better if they just made this years RW wider imo.
My first thoughts as well. I have grown to like the high rear wings.
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Fer.Fan wrote:http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-web ... -2016.html

Interesting!!! =D> =D> =D>
Rules limit the exhaust pipe positioning now
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Omnicorse.it: 2017 rules could make for very different looking solutions/cars:

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j2004p wrote:
bhall II wrote:Max Mosley, the man who brought us grooved tires, isn't the brightest bulb when it comes to technical matters. It's the cost of development that makes power units so expensive, and development costs cannot be curtailed by production limits.
=D> =D> =D>

Well said, can you imagine the amount of money they'd pour into pre-season development?
Assuming engine manufacturers do not wish to start the season with an uncompetitive engine, their pre-season spending on development is sky-high already. Mid-season engine development is just to gain an even bigger advantage or to close a gap they were confronted with.

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How about more aerodynamic freedom for those teams that chose FIA engine, and more restricted to FOM engine.

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bhall II wrote:Max Mosley, the man who brought us grooved tires, isn't the brightest bulb when it comes to technical matters. It's the cost of development that makes power units so expensive, and development costs cannot be curtailed by production limits.
Indeed the unit cost goes up if you introduce production limits. And that means that the other teams will struggle even more to pay for their engines.

That's why mass production was invented...
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void wrote:How about more aerodynamic freedom for those teams that chose FIA engine, and more restricted to FOM engine.
Penalise the manufacturer backed teams in favour of a proposed, cheap, simple customer engine and the manufacturers will leave. If it isn't better than the current engines, nobody will want to run the customer engine.

Why it won't get off the ground in a nut shell, basically!