Mclaren MP4-31 Honda Speculation Thread

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Thunders wrote:True, but this Year winter Testing starts later. And i don't know if PP pulls a Newey and wants to develop until the very last second.
Maybe so, anyway hopefully we will have announcement from Mclaren next week.
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Is not the image of the new car, but is the image of the new t-shirt of the team.

It may indicates that the new car wil continue darck.

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hemichromis wrote:
PlatinumZealot wrote:The reason why Honda chose a higher rpm turbo first time out is for reasons of spool time and efficiency... Yes. Efficiency.

The faster the turbine spins the more exhaust pulses each blade can capture. You get a better use of the pressure pulses. If you design your turbine for a higher operating speed you can be sitting pretty if everything else is perfectly aligned. You see the exhaust pressure pulses are many times faster than the rotor and some of that energy is wasted as reversibility when the hit the rotor. Honda was probably hoping that they could achieve a steady turbine loading throughout the lap and run the turbine at a higher rpm reaping these efficiency benefits. Their turbine map is designed around this high rpm range too. Real world problems obviously put fire to their concept though. The MGUH was not strong enough - poor charging to the battery.. high back pressure from the small turbine.. leads to higher combustion chamber temperatures.. not a flat enough compressor map coz the compressor is small... a whole bag of problems. I think now they realize that the pulse usage efficiency of the turbine is a secondary importance to the efficiency the MGUH and a larger turbocharger can make up for.
I understood that the major problem was that when the turbo was spun to the high speeds it was designed for it caused vibration?!

Where did you get this information?
I was not denying the problems that they faced running the turbo. I was just saying what could be the original reasons for them going with a high rpm concept.
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Thunders wrote:True, but this Year winter Testing starts later. And i don't know if PP pulls a Newey and wants to develop until the very last second.
I expect McLaren will launch the MP4-31 (perhaps in early February rather than the end of this month, given how late the tests start compared to previous seasons) with it's basic design philosophy on show, then roll out the test package for the first winter test. Or do a press event on the morning of the first test in the pitlane before testing starts.

As for PP working until the last minute ? That will be dictated by the crash testing deadlines and Honda probably wanting to hit the track on the first day of winter testing as soon as the lights go green. Shakedown for the PU = 100km of promo filming.

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I think they'll do something similar to what Mercedes did last year, so we'll see the car a week before the start of the tests maybe.

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Well considering Mclaren have been picked to do the wet weather testing at Paul Ricard along side Ferrari and Red Bull for Pirelli, won't mclaren have the new car ready for them to at least shake down the new car? Or will they run the old chassis, maybe with the new engine but we saw the results of the last time they did that!!
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for 178th time....no new parts at Pirelli wet tyre test!
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Thanks! :D

And hey I won't bother asking anymore questions to get the answers that I didn't know as I am clearly wasting your time 8)

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GoranF1 wrote:for 178th time....no new parts at Pirelli wet tyre test!
I think that was only 177th time..... :P
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CjC wrote:Thanks! :D

And hey I won't bother asking anymore questions to get the answers that I didn't know as I am clearly wasting your time 8)

:roll:
It's ok mate...;).....at least maybe Honda has work out ways do run full deployment for a larger amount of laps,whitout making any changes to hardware.
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A option in the tyre test would be to run the ICE with the stress of the new Turbo (mappings, intake pressure) to look for reability.

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So no new parts on the wet test, that is a given. I do wonder, though, is it possible to run the last spec 2015 engine, with all the tokens used, even if the engine was only run last year on a dyno and not on track? Like for instance the full token used 2015 ferrari PU that STR will probably use.

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Big Mangalhit wrote:So no new parts on the wet test, that is a given. I do wonder, though, is it possible to run the last spec 2015 engine, with all the tokens used, even if the engine was only run last year on a dyno and not on track? Like for instance the full token used 2015 ferrari PU that STR will probably use.
STR will use the Austin spec.

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http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/145 ... ngine-2016

Good news about the size of the turbo, but the location of the MGU-H is still in the vee?

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I don't think so.
First of all it is damm hot inside there, and the charge air will be well heated when entering the compressor.
Secondly if it will be placed there it has to be raised.