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Don't forget that the MGU H/K is located at the wery rear of the 2015 engine. And so the oiltank. This means that the weight distribution of that engine is not so good as the Renault and the Merc.Leendert82 wrote:Do we know roughly how much longer the wheelbase would be and how this would impact the performance (downforce eg)? I didnt notice that in 2015 Ferarri and Sauber were driving with longer wheelbase.
The Split turbo as anyone here knows that the PU106 series engine are equipped with, together with the oil tank in the front, and the position of the MKU-K makes the package the most compact. Ferrari if they want to win, they have to adopt the same packaging, so do Renault and Mario Illien knows this wery well. Honda also has to put the compressor in the front of the vee...f1316 wrote:I think if you look at the 2015 cars, the Ferrari was on the shorter end - the mclaren appeared to be much longer (to my eyes at least). The Mercedes seemed to be the shortest but I don't get the impression Ferrari were unusually long.
I think this whole conversation is a bit of a red herring. We all know there are pros and cons to both and different teams have had successes and failures of differing wheelbases depending on the competing tradeoffs of the regulations.
Yes, it would be ideal to get a nimble, shorter car with great turn in for some corners, but aero needs might make it easier to put more downforce on a longer chassis. Likewise, horsepower is the dominant performance differentiator at the moment, so teams will happily trade a bit of length for a bunch more horses.
I think that's a very facile piece of analysis. Yes, that may be the most efficient packaging we've yet seen, but that does not mean it has to be adopted to win.toraabe wrote:The Split turbo as anyone here knows that the PU106 series engine are equipped with, together with the oil tank in the front, and the position of the MKU-K makes the package the most compact. Ferrari if they want to win, they have to adopt the same packaging, so do Renault and Mario Illien knows this wery well. Honda also has to put the compressor in the front of the vee...f1316 wrote:I think if you look at the 2015 cars, the Ferrari was on the shorter end - the mclaren appeared to be much longer (to my eyes at least). The Mercedes seemed to be the shortest but I don't get the impression Ferrari were unusually long.
I think this whole conversation is a bit of a red herring. We all know there are pros and cons to both and different teams have had successes and failures of differing wheelbases depending on the competing tradeoffs of the regulations.
Yes, it would be ideal to get a nimble, shorter car with great turn in for some corners, but aero needs might make it easier to put more downforce on a longer chassis. Likewise, horsepower is the dominant performance differentiator at the moment, so teams will happily trade a bit of length for a bunch more horses.
I believe that the oil tank was moved forward at the beginning of 2015.toraabe wrote:Don't forget that the MGU H/K is located at the wery rear of the 2015 engine. And so the oiltank. This means that the weight distribution of that engine is not so good as the Renault and the Merc.Leendert82 wrote:Do we know roughly how much longer the wheelbase would be and how this would impact the performance (downforce eg)? I didnt notice that in 2015 Ferarri and Sauber were driving with longer wheelbase.
thats true but they also changed the mgu k positioning at the left side of the engine in spite of they never raced it. but it is homologated as so.wuzak wrote:I believe that the oil tank was moved forward at the beginning of 2015.toraabe wrote:Don't forget that the MGU H/K is located at the wery rear of the 2015 engine. And so the oiltank. This means that the weight distribution of that engine is not so good as the Renault and the Merc.Leendert82 wrote:Do we know roughly how much longer the wheelbase would be and how this would impact the performance (downforce eg)? I didnt notice that in 2015 Ferarri and Sauber were driving with longer wheelbase.
so let's say compared to last year 1.0-1.2 seconds benefit total from aero combined with engine power. where would that leave them compared to the rest of the field ? and what is the new Ferrari PU worth? if they get that mid-season, could we be seeing a 1.5 second gain total for them?hamilton#1 wrote:Max just told on dutch television that he expects 0.8 - 1.0 seconds from the Ferrari PU and he expects that their further improvements will be greater than others.