Ferrari 667 Speculation Thread

[f1316]

Mercedes also had knocking problems at the beginning of last year, which didn't allowed them to run the PU at the same configuration as they were using in qualifying. They brought the fix in Canada and since then they started running closer to the quali mode in races. I don't think they attributed the fix to the fuel change.

But interestingly they didn't require any tokens to make the fix since it was on reliability grounds.

Mercedes and Ferrari both sound as if they're pushing to the same kind of targets in terms of pressure, so will be interesting to see whether either or both push the envelope too far in order to beat the other and in process compromise reliability. They could potentially trip each other up in this way and others would benefit.

[giantfan10]

Mercedes also had knocking problems at the beginning of last year, which didn't allowed them to run the PU at the same configuration as they were using in qualifying. They brought the fix in Canada and since then they started running closer to the quali mode in races. I don't think they attributed the fix to the fuel change.

But interestingly they didn't require any tokens to make the fix since it was on reliability grounds.

Mercedes and Ferrari both sound as if they're pushing to the same kind of targets in terms of pressure, so will be interesting to see whether either or both push the envelope too far in order to beat the other and in process compromise reliability. They could potentially trip each other up in this way and others would benefit.

scenario would be perfect for ...hmmmmm Mclaren? torro rosso with the proven 2015 engine? Red bull?

[FW17]

I don't understand Ferrari's (speculated) reworking of the intercooler

There new placement will be long with so many bends, back of engine to top of fuel tank, from there to the side pod, from there to the intake manifold) that I am not sure how they are going to keep the system efficient.

One of the advantages of the water cooler is that it can be placed at the shortest length between turbo and engine. Either Giorgio Piola is feeding crap or Ferrari has lost something.

Will Ferrari be supplying this Frankenstein to its customers?

[aral]

I don't understand Ferrari's (speculated) reworking of the intercooler

There new placement will be long with so many bends, back of engine to top of fuel tank, from there to the side pod, from there to the intake manifold) that I am not sure how they are going to keep the system efficient.

One of the advantages of the water cooler is that it can be placed at the shortest length between turbo and engine. Either Giorgio Piola is feeding crap or Ferrari has lost something.

Will Ferrari be supplying this Frankenstein to its customers?

piola is well known for unsubstantiated speculation. the simple fact is that he does not know what ferrari have done or will do, and likes to believe that somewhere along the line with his ideas, he might actually get it right one in a while

[toraabe]

This is where the location of the PU106 is an advantage. Shorter piping, less weight, hence less preassure hence better efficiency.. If Ferrari wants to beat Merc, they have to adapt their engine to the same layout...

[godlameroso]

Well it's not horribly far fetched, if Ferrari are going to use variable trumpets they could not keep the intercooler in the V of the engine. So this is their solution, we'll know if it worked or not after next week.

[atlantis]

Also, the new ic positioning could help a lot cog and weight distribution

[giantfan10]

This is where the location of the PU106 is an advantage. Shorter piping, less weight, hence less preassure hence better efficiency.. If Ferrari wants to beat Merc, they have to adapt their engine to the same layout...

nonsense. just because Mercedes has won the 2 last championship does not mean that they discovered the best possible layout for this current engine formula, what it does mean is that they did a better job than the other engine manufacturers pre 2014.
The restrictions in development because of the silly token rules locked in the advantage they started 2014 with and and pretty much locked the chasing teams to decisions they made in the 2014 offseason.

[toraabe]

This is where the location of the PU106 is an advantage. Shorter piping, less weight, hence less preassure hence better efficiency.. If Ferrari wants to beat Merc, they have to adapt their engine to the same layout...

nonsense. just because Mercedes has won the 2 last championship does not mean that they discovered the best possible layout for this current engine formula, what it does mean is that they did a better job than the other engine manufacturers pre 2014.
The restrictions in development because of the silly token rules locked in the advantage they started 2014 with and and pretty much locked the chasing teams to decisions they made in the 2014 offseason.

No .. Packaging, gravity and weight distribution... Don't forget---

[dot235]

Tell you what, if this car bearing this name won't win the title, I will officially stop believing in existence of certain occult and its affection on F1.
As it is, there is no logical explanation why the fcuk that car is called 666 / 667 (both numbers mean the same thing).

[denisjp]

666 or 667 is just the project number. There's no underlying meaning. The F138 was 665, the F2012 was 664...

[GoranF1]

https://twitter.com/antoniogranato/stat ... 9867342848

[dot235]

666 or 667 is just the project number. There's no underlying meaning. The F138 was 665, the F2012 was 664...

You are right actually.

It turnes out F15T was called project 666, never knew that..

And one of the first cars to have this internal project naming scheme was apparently Ferrari 640 (1989 Ferrari F1-89), it was
publicly known by that name as far as I gathered.

So ~639 to 667 are the chassis numbers.
Starting with 6 presumably because it was 60 years since Scuderia Ferrari was born (1929-1989).

[CBeck113]

https://twitter.com/antoniogranato/stat ... 9867342848

OMG!!!! It's....red!

[astracrazy]

666 or 667 is just the project number. There's no underlying meaning. The F138 was 665, the F2012 was 664...

And one of the first cars to have this internal project naming scheme was apparently Ferrari 640 (F1 1989), it was actually publicly known by that name.

Actually officially that was the F1-89 but it was the first time these project numbers were used, so was also known as that. Well tbf the 639 testcar was the first time.

I read the 39 came from John Bernard because that was his age at the time (his first car). Not sure what the 6 is about.**not sure how true that is though

1989 639 Testcar/ Development car
1989 640 F1-89
1990 640/2 F1-89B
1990 641 F1-90
1990 641/2 F1-90B
1991 642 F1-91
1991 643 F1-91B
1992 644 F92A, F92AT
1993 645 F93A

and so on.....

They also number chassis's too.