Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H

[NoDivergence]

Potential advantage of flow mixing at the trailing edge. I've looked into this just a little bit over the years. You can sometimes get an advantageous pressure recovery at high AOA of the flap.

[Silent Storm]

https://twitter.com/luisfef1/status/703181954624061440

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Good looking car, definitely Allison inspired me thinks. I'm ready for Melbourne.

[turbof1]

Lockdown while I get a handle on this mess... . A lot of posts to be removed which do not follow topic guidelines which are clearly made in the first post.

EDIT: I removed again one and half page of wild discussions about laptimes and fuel loads. The rules are very simple in that regard:
-No speculation whatsoever. Everything has to be backed up, either by pictures or data/information with source.
-No discussion about the laptimes and fuel loads, unless you are able to correlate such data sets directly back to specific parts of the car.

Gents and ladies, this topic sits in the "F1Car Hardware & Development" subforum. That name has some thought behind it, so let's act to it.

[Cloud981]

Observations from F1analisitecnica :

- Speed is there, but reliability is not
- Car looks better on track then SF15T and very neutral, but still not as good as Mercedes
- Vettel and Kimi couldn't take line as tight as Mercedes drivers because it appears that front of the car is still not good enough
- Two reasons for that, front suspension setup and amount of downforce at the rear of the car because of much bigger space in coke bottle area and shorter nose. It means car is not aero balanced since rear gets more downforce, and front end doesn't follow.
- Can be fixed through the suspension, new front wing (since this one probably doesn't deliver enough DF on front) and skinnier RW (for now I guess)
- Vettel did his lap with 50kh of fuel and wasn't running 100%. PU didn't run 100% (thats why Vmax wasn't as good) in any practice session, still has some reliability problems but they will run it next week 100%
- Tires getting into right temperature faster then with SF15T
- Tires suffer from blistering which is odd given low track temps (merc has graining as well)
- According to their info, current gap would be around 4 tenths
- From what they have been said, from here to Australia no major PU changes unless some big reliability problems appear
- Felipe Massa says they couldnt follow Ferrari, especially in fast corners

[Juzh]

Observations from F1analisitecnica :

- Speed is there, but reliability is not
- Car looks better on track then SF15T and very neutral, but still not as good as Mercedes
- Vettel and Kimi couldn't take line as tight as Mercedes drivers because it appears that front of the car is still not good enough
- Two reasons for that, front suspension setup and amount of downforce at the rear of the car because of much bigger space in coke bottle area and shorter nose. It means car is not aero balanced since rear gets more downforce, and front end doesn't follow.
- Can be fixed through the suspension, new front wing (since this one probably doesn't deliver enough DF on front) and skinnier RW (for now I guess)
- Vettel did his lap with 50kh of fuel and wasn't running 100%. PU didn't run 100% (thats why Vmax wasn't as good) in any practice session, still has some reliability problems but they will run it next week 100%
- Tires getting into right temperature faster then with SF15T
- Tires suffer from blistering which is odd given low track temps (merc has graining as well)
- According to their info, current gap would be around 4 tenths
- From what they have been said, from here to Australia no major PU changes unless some big reliability problems appear
- Felipe Massa says they couldnt follow Ferrari, especially in fast corners

So basically what we ended up with last year.

[armyk]

Thank you for the info.
Unfortunately it doesn't seems their aero is good enough for mercedes. Especially if I look about the parts Mercedes showed during the testing.
Ferrari is by my opinion too conservative. Quite simple design, nothing extravagant. Just look at new Mercedes nose, sidepods stuff which we don't have clue about, same as huge aerobox.

[giantfan10]

Thank you for the info.
Unfortunately it doesn't seems their aero is good enough for mercedes. Especially if I look about the parts Mercedes showed during the testing.
Ferrari is by my opinion too conservative. Quite simple design, nothing extravagant. Just look at new Mercedes nose, sidepods stuff which we don't have clue about, same as huge aerobox.

Curious opinion since Ferrari ran 2015 wings for the entire first test .. no S duct and no monkey seat. Can we at least wait toll Ferrari bolts on their 2016 aero?

[bhall II]

If that analysis is accurate, the only real concern is reliability. Otherwise, the current aero package, including the nose and front wing, will likely never be raced. It's just a baseline configuration, and I can think of several different ways to improve balance that don't involve the adoption of something new/exotic/revolutionary. But, if reliability doesn't allow it, then chassis design is inconsequential.

[Cloud981]

Apparently, according to F1analisitecnica, Ferrari wasnt able to pass crash test with very agressive nose similar to new STR so they went with this one for now.

[turbof1]

If that analysis is accurate, the only real concern is reliability. Otherwise, the current aero package, including the nose and front wing, will likely never be raced. It's just a baseline configuration, and I can think of several different ways to improve balance that don't involve the adoption of something new/exotic/revolutionary. But, if reliability doesn't allow it, then chassis design is inconsequential.

I'm quite sure they will race the nose. You need to pass all the crash tests, front crash structure included, to be allowed to participate to testing. Although Ferrari is very resourceful, I don't think even they would have gone through the trouble to get such a short nose pass the crash tests, just to dump it aside when they arrive at Melbourne.

I do believe they will change the front wing. They have blow front axle now, and I don't inmediately see any changes at the wing, which needs to be tuned to get the blown axle to work properly. I expect them to introduce a new wing this week, or at Melbourne the latest.

[bhall II]

SF15-T also had blown hubs. So, interaction with the front wing shouldn't be a problem at this stage.



As to the nose...

Apparently, according to F1analisitecnica, Ferrari wasnt able to pass crash test with very agressive nose similar to new STR so they went with this one for now.

Yeah, that's definitely how it looks. The design is quite conservative.

EDIT: Is the analysis from an inside or outside source?

EDIT 2:

Tires suffer from blistering which is odd given low track temps (merc has graining as well)

The context is a bit confusing. Does this statement consider blistering to be the same as gaining?

It makes sense that graining could be an issue with low track temps. Not so much for blistering, though.

[turbof1]

No doubt they want to try to chip away at it, but experience tells it takes a long while before you get to something that passes the crash tests (Mercedes 2014 and Red Bull 2015). It's quite extreme already, so I do expect they'll have to run the current nose a few races atleast.

I don't remember correctly, but did Ferrari actually used blow axles during qualy/race? Or did they closed it off?

[Big Mangalhit]

No doubt they want to try to chip away at it, but experience tells it takes a long while before you get to something that passes the crash tests (Mercedes 2014 and Red Bull 2015). It's quite extreme already, so I do expect they'll have to run the current nose a few races atleast.

I don't remember correctly, but did Ferrari actually used blow axles during qualy/race? Or did they closed it off?

I thought they used the whole year since day one. They even had some trouble fixing kimi's wheel in one race because they said the nut was a bit tricky.

[F1ern]

No doubt they want to try to chip away at it, but experience tells it takes a long while before you get to something that passes the crash tests (Mercedes 2014 and Red Bull 2015). It's quite extreme already, so I do expect they'll have to run the current nose a few races atleast.

I don't remember correctly, but did Ferrari actually used blow axles during qualy/race? Or did they closed it off?

They used it the whole year.