Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H

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giantfan10 wrote:
armyk wrote:Thank you for the info.
Unfortunately it doesn't seems their aero is good enough for mercedes. Especially if I look about the parts Mercedes showed during the testing.
Ferrari is by my opinion too conservative. Quite simple design, nothing extravagant. Just look at new Mercedes nose, sidepods stuff which we don't have clue about, same as huge aerobox.
Curious opinion since Ferrari ran 2015 wings for the entire first test .. no S duct and no monkey seat. Can we at least wait toll Ferrari bolts on their 2016 aero?
Yeah that was what I thought year before and year before that and... it was said that nose they showed in 2015 will not be raced or will be upgraded very soon. It ended up racing for whole seasson. I hope they will show new aero, but I am think it will be pretty much similar to 2015. I would be happy to be wrong.

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armyk wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
armyk wrote:Thank you for the info.
Unfortunately it doesn't seems their aero is good enough for mercedes. Especially if I look about the parts Mercedes showed during the testing.
Ferrari is by my opinion too conservative. Quite simple design, nothing extravagant. Just look at new Mercedes nose, sidepods stuff which we don't have clue about, same as huge aerobox.
Curious opinion since Ferrari ran 2015 wings for the entire first test .. no S duct and no monkey seat. Can we at least wait toll Ferrari bolts on their 2016 aero?
Yeah that was what I thought year before and year before that and... it was said that nose they showed in 2015 will not be raced or will be upgraded very soon. It ended up racing for whole seasson. I hope they will show new aero, but I am think it will be pretty much similar to 2015. I would be happy to be wrong.
Ferrari ran several different versions of the front wing in 2015... you sure you got that right?
Secondly why does everyone assume that the more fiddly bits on the car the better said car is?

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armyk wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
armyk wrote:Thank you for the info.
Unfortunately it doesn't seems their aero is good enough for mercedes. Especially if I look about the parts Mercedes showed during the testing.
Ferrari is by my opinion too conservative. Quite simple design, nothing extravagant. Just look at new Mercedes nose, sidepods stuff which we don't have clue about, same as huge aerobox.

Curious opinion since Ferrari ran 2015 wings for the entire first test .. no S duct and no monkey seat. Can we at least wait toll Ferrari bolts on their 2016 aero?
Yeah that was what I thought year before and year before that and... it was said that nose they showed in 2015 will not be raced or will be upgraded very soon. It ended up racing for whole seasson. I hope they will show new aero, but I am think it will be pretty much similar to 2015. I would be happy to be wrong.
The whole of the SF16-h is new aero. What is it exactly you would like to see? Add on gimmick appendages, a Mercedes nose? What exactly is everyone's fascination with the Merc nose? Believe me the merc aero is not as great as we like to think. Newey and Prodramou who are aero gurus are not pursuing the merc nose. Wonder why? Not only Merc can lay up carbon to pass crash test on a low nose, so that's not the reason...
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Chene_Mostert wrote:
armyk wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:

Curious opinion since Ferrari ran 2015 wings for the entire first test .. no S duct and no monkey seat. Can we at least wait toll Ferrari bolts on their 2016 aero?
Yeah that was what I thought year before and year before that and... it was said that nose they showed in 2015 will not be raced or will be upgraded very soon. It ended up racing for whole seasson. I hope they will show new aero, but I am think it will be pretty much similar to 2015. I would be happy to be wrong.
The whole of the SF16-h is new aero. What is it exactly you would like to see? Add on gimmick appendages, a Mercedes nose? What exactly is everyone's fascination with the Merc nose? Believe me the merc aero is not as great as we like to think. Newey and Prodramou who are aero gurus are not pursuing the merc nose. Wonder why? Not only Merc can lay up carbon to pass crash test on a low nose, so that's not the reason...
I believe its the age old assumption that if a car wins the previous years championship then every single aero piece on that car is the best solution on the grid i dont agree but thats just the way it is.

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giantfan10 wrote:
armyk wrote:
giantfan10 wrote: Curious opinion since Ferrari ran 2015 wings for the entire first test .. no S duct and no monkey seat. Can we at least wait toll Ferrari bolts on their 2016 aero?
Yeah that was what I thought year before and year before that and... it was said that nose they showed in 2015 will not be raced or will be upgraded very soon. It ended up racing for whole seasson. I hope they will show new aero, but I am think it will be pretty much similar to 2015. I would be happy to be wrong.
Ferrari ran several different versions of the front wing in 2015... you sure you got that right?
Secondly why does everyone assume that the more fiddly bits on the car the better said car is?
I ment nose, news were full of that and they stick with it for whole seasson.
I am not saying merc has best aero, but atleast we can see something interesting happening to it... Ferrari pretty much stick what most of the field is using. Entry of merc sidepods with unknown outlet, shaping of the parts, etc.., but ferrari doesn't experiment enough by my opinion.
RBR Aero is by far the most sexy, sleek and elegant and I would say also the best of them all.

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armyk wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
armyk wrote: Yeah that was what I thought year before and year before that and... it was said that nose they showed in 2015 will not be raced or will be upgraded very soon. It ended up racing for whole seasson. I hope they will show new aero, but I am think it will be pretty much similar to 2015. I would be happy to be wrong.
Ferrari ran several different versions of the front wing in 2015... you sure you got that right?
Secondly why does everyone assume that the more fiddly bits on the car the better said car is?
I ment nose, news were full of that and they stick with it for whole seasson.
I am not saying merc has best aero, but atleast we can see something interesting happening to it... Ferrari pretty much stick what most of the field is using. Entry of merc sidepods with unknown outlet, shaping of the parts, etc.., but ferrari doesn't experiment enough by my opinion.
RBR Aero is by far the most sexy, sleek and elegant and I would say also the best of them all.
This is the First "Entire-Allison" Ferrari, let's hope that the Chassis would work better with the tyres, and the upgrades makes the car better.

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Cloud981 wrote:Observations from F1analisitecnica :

- Speed is there, but reliability is not
- Car looks better on track then SF15T and very neutral, but still not as good as Mercedes
- Vettel and Kimi couldn't take line as tight as Mercedes drivers because it appears that front of the car is still not good enough
- Two reasons for that, front suspension setup and amount of downforce at the rear of the car because of much bigger space in coke bottle area and shorter nose. It means car is not aero balanced since rear gets more downforce, and front end doesn't follow.
- Can be fixed through the suspension, new front wing (since this one probably doesn't deliver enough DF on front) and skinnier RW (for now I guess)
- Vettel did his lap with 50kh of fuel and wasn't running 100%. PU didn't run 100% (thats why Vmax wasn't as good) in any practice session, still has some reliability problems but they will run it next week 100%
- Tires getting into right temperature faster then with SF15T
- Tires suffer from blistering which is odd given low track temps (merc has graining as well)
- According to their info, current gap would be around 4 tenths
- From what they have been said, from here to Australia no major PU changes unless some big reliability problems appear
- Felipe Massa says they couldnt follow Ferrari, especially in fast corners
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Sensors, sensors everywhere! :D

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Via AMUS

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Not the best shot of it but you can see that Ferrari has added a small flap on the outside of the front wing endplate, similar to most of the other teams:

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Here is a better shot curtesy of @Albrodpul :

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Edit: better shot

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BlackSwan wrote:Sensors, sensors everywhere! :D

http://images.scribblelive.com/2016/3/1 ... bb_800.jpg
That reminds me of that helicopter with the flashing lights from "Close encounters of the third kind" :)

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Flow viz paint around front suspension
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f300v10 wrote:Here is a better shot curtesy of @Albrodpul :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccdnb43XEAArwGr.jpg:large
While Mercedes bring new nose, new floor and FW Ferrari brings new flap.

Lets hope Ferrari have more aero updates in pipeline otherwise last season's dominance of Mercedes will continue.