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Rhodium wrote:please, stop with this stupid idea who want F1 drivers are "dead alive" behind her cockpit...
when a driver is dead in F1 ? 94 !
who think Bianchi can escape to the death with this system is a dreamer...
Don't forget María de Villota. She could escape with this system.
Not guaranteed by any means, the tail lift of the truck she hit could easily have bypassed one side of the central mounting pylon of this Halo concept and still struck her at eye level. (Sorry for being OT)
Hey guys, I posted this on the Autosport Forum and figured I should post it here as well.
I'm not sure if the concept has been tested or simply dismissed, but I've had a go at visualizing the 2011 Lola proposal, which, as you know, featured a safety hoop + a semi-canopy while keeping the idea of an open cockpit. It provided protection from the front as well as from the top.
The addition of a rigid safety hoop of carbon fibre over the driver’s helmet would stop wheels (or other large objects) from impacting on top of the driver’s head. This rigid structure could be combined with the outer shell of the current removable head padding. It would therefore not restrict driver access anymore than the current level of padding, which has to be removed before the driver can get in or out of the car. The outer edges of the hoop would spigot into the chassis to provide a continuous structural load path.
Personally I find this to be the most aesthetically pleasing proposal, so here are some pictures based on the 2015 Merc. (base 3D model provided by Isaint from grandprixgames.org, renderings are mine). It still looks like an F1 car to me.
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P.S. The renderings are not meant to be an accurate technical visualization, just a general implementation idea.
I like your idea ! It's look very cool, add two vertical poles (25-30 mm) in place of the mirrors and it is perfectly safe. I mean like this :
Your solution must be known by FIA because it's simply better than the "halo" solution.
Hey guys, I posted this on the Autosport Forum and figured I should post it here as well.
I'm not sure if the concept has been tested or simply dismissed, but I've had a go at visualizing the 2011 Lola proposal, which, as you know, featured a safety hoop + a semi-canopy while keeping the idea of an open cockpit. It provided protection from the front as well as from the top.
The addition of a rigid safety hoop of carbon fibre over the driver’s helmet would stop wheels (or other large objects) from impacting on top of the driver’s head. This rigid structure could be combined with the outer shell of the current removable head padding. It would therefore not restrict driver access anymore than the current level of padding, which has to be removed before the driver can get in or out of the car. The outer edges of the hoop would spigot into the chassis to provide a continuous structural load path.
Personally I find this to be the most aesthetically pleasing proposal, so here are some pictures based on the 2015 Merc. (base 3D model provided by Isaint from grandprixgames.org, renderings are mine). It still looks like an F1 car to me.
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P.S. The renderings are not meant to be an accurate technical visualization, just a general implementation idea.
I like your idea ! It's look very cool, add two vertical poles (25-30 mm) in place of the mirrors and it is perfectly safe. I mean like this :
Your solution must be known by FIA because it's simply better than the "halo" solution.
I really like this solution as well. It's way better than my approach although both point in a similar direction. Good work. Let's tweed it to some drivers, scarbs and other important people, shall we?
Phil1984 wrote:
I really like this solution as well. It's way better than my approach although both point in a similar direction. Good work. Let's tweed it to some drivers, scarbs and other important people, shall we?
Guys, please feel free to use and distribute the images anywhere you'd like!
I wasn't on Twitter previously but I'll give it a go now. If you already have established connections, it may be easier for you to get the images noticed. I'm curious to see what Red Bull will come up with, but it would be really nice to see this version tested as well.
andrewf1 wrote:
Guys, please feel free to use and distribute the images anywhere you'd like!
I wasn't on Twitter previously but I'll give it a go now. If you already have established connections, it may be easier for you to get the images noticed. I'm curious to see what Red Bull will come up with, but it would be really nice to see this version tested as well.
I'm not sure about the over all safety factor, and if it would satisfy their needs, But it looks great
and that wind screen certainly doesn't look out of place, like it should already be on the car.
a nice modern take on the wind screens of the 70's.
Very nice job andrewf1.
Any chance I could see a shot of it without the protection over the drivers helmet [-o<
A discrete interlocking 3 piece, with proper vision from aircraft optical quality armour glass - set in a steel support box.
Strong enough to stop a .5in MG bullet, & support intact - a 5 tonne plane upside-down - to enable pilot escape..
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"
Ed Hilary on being 1st to top Mt Everest,
(& 1st to do a surface traverse across Antarctica,
in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).
andrewf1 wrote:Hey guys, I posted this on the Autosport Forum and figured I should post it here as well.
I'm not sure if the concept has been tested or simply dismissed, but I've had a go at visualizing the 2011 Lola proposal, which, as you know, featured a safety hoop + a semi-canopy while keeping the idea of an open cockpit. It provided protection from the front as well as from the top.
The addition of a rigid safety hoop of carbon fibre over the driver’s helmet would stop wheels (or other large objects) from impacting on top of the driver’s head. This rigid structure could be combined with the outer shell of the current removable head padding. It would therefore not restrict driver access anymore than the current level of padding, which has to be removed before the driver can get in or out of the car. The outer edges of the hoop would spigot into the chassis to provide a continuous structural load path.
Personally I find this to be the most aesthetically pleasing proposal, so here are some pictures based on the 2015 Merc. (base 3D model provided by Isaint from grandprixgames.org, renderings are mine). It still looks like an F1 car to me.
Jules Bianchi==> Tractor with a possibility to drive under on track.
Surtees and Massa==>an object flying towards them.
Alonso-Raikkonen==>Need something on the side
If I look at it, we just need to avoid having dangerous vehicles on track or objects where one can go under, need a larger plexi or perhaps a vertical rod to highten the crash structure. But not a fricking Halo-setup or fully closed canopy.
Adding a closed cockpit to an F1 car is like changing Moto GP by changing the bikes for cars in stead of making the track itself safer.
Thank you really doesn't really describe enough what I feel. - Vettel
Jules Bianchi==> Tractor with a possibility to drive under on track.
Surtees and Massa==>an object flying towards them.
Alonso-Raikkonen==>Need something on the side
If I look at it, we just need to avoid having dangerous vehicles on track or objects where one can go under, need a larger plexi or perhaps a vertical rod to highten the crash structure. But not a fricking Halo-setup or fully closed canopy.
Adding a closed cockpit to an F1 car is like changing Moto GP by changing the bikes for cars in stead of making the track itself safer.
I'm agree with you, but FIA wants a head protection system, for the moment it's the "halo" system. I hate the "halo" system, it's ugly and not very performant (Massa 2009), so we are just trying to find a better solution
notsofast wrote:Wouldn't a windshield like that need wipers or tear-offs?
Well, come to think of it, engines don't blow up as often as they used to, i.e., less chance of oil on your visor, so maybe it's a moot point.
I real don't think you would need wipers with the car Andrewf1 has shown us,
they have coatings out now that would eliminate that need, I'v mentioned them over in the red bull matte paint thread, hydrophobic and hydrophilic coatings that repel (lack of a better word), water and oils
There are video's on youtube that show how this stuff works,
this is an article from the Daily Mail back in 2014 that also has a very good video clip showing Superhydrophobic technology that we will all see in the very near future
Link to the article and video http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... 1682764001
and another one from The Slow Mo Guys showing GE's technology
the first part of the video pertains to this topic
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