Closed Cockpits agreed for 2017

[turbof1]

I agree. In my opinion, why not just introduced a fully closed cockpit? Sure, in times of a crash that might be difficult to get out, but:
-Le mans already runs it for a long time and as far I know, nobody died or got worse injuries because he couldn't be extracted right away out of the car due the closed cockpit
-There are ways to break/shatter glass in more ways then you think. Or how you can break car windows with a small piece of a spark plug but not with small rocks of the same size as the spark plug:



But muummm, there's shattered glass everywhere and I'm afraid of getting myself cut!

Shut up son, you wear a fireproof overall, a helmet designed to even make you survive an impact with broken parts and a HANS system that will keep your neck in one place during 300km/h crash. I don't think glass can get through.

[piast9]

I just wonder if a single bar going in a form of an arch from the bulkhead to the roll hoop wouldn't be better idea. It would prevent really big and blunt objects from hitting driver's head with similar efficiency as the halo. Getting in and out would be more difficult and would remind squeezing into a NASCAR through the side window, but it would allow getting out when the car was overturned. I also think that it would look better than a halo.

[Pat Pending]

I agree. In my opinion, why not just introduced a fully closed cockpit? Sure, in times of a crash that might be difficult to get out, but:
-Le mans already runs it for a long time and as far I know, nobody died or got worse injuries because he couldn't be extracted right away out of the car due the closed cockpit

I think the Le Man/LMP analogy is flawed. I think I am right in saying that the LMP regulations require 2 doors of a minimum size, such that extraction can be done relatively easily.

[Jolle]

I agree. In my opinion, why not just introduced a fully closed cockpit? Sure, in times of a crash that might be difficult to get out, but:
-Le mans already runs it for a long time and as far I know, nobody died or got worse injuries because he couldn't be extracted right away out of the car due the closed cockpit

I think the Le Man/LMP analogy is flawed. I think I am right in saying that the LMP regulations require 2 doors of a minimum size, such that extraction can be done relatively easily.

LMP also introduced that airco systems are mandatory.

Do we really want F1 to have, next to power steering, have an airco system? whats next... 5.1 sound system to boost the engine noise a bit?

[krisfx]

I agree. In my opinion, why not just introduced a fully closed cockpit? Sure, in times of a crash that might be difficult to get out, but:
-Le mans already runs it for a long time and as far I know, nobody died or got worse injuries because he couldn't be extracted right away out of the car due the closed cockpit

I think the Le Man/LMP analogy is flawed. I think I am right in saying that the LMP regulations require 2 doors of a minimum size, such that extraction can be done relatively easily.

They also have to be on the side so that when a car is upside down, access isn't impeded iirc.

[FW17]

I don't understand the need for the center pillar.

Wouldn't the halo pipe by itself be strong enough to deflect the tyre?

[bdr529]

I don't understand the need for the center pillar.

Wouldn't the halo pipe by itself be strong enough to deflect the tyre?

If your going to cantilever something like that, I really don't think it would be strong enough.
I think it would get sheared right off if it got hit by a tire
And unfortunately you couldn't have the center pillar on top, leading back to the roll hoop,
that would prevent the drivers from getting out.
but who knows, with the new cars coming they may be able to incorporate that into the design,
making it part of the bulk head from the start.

[FW17]

I am not sure if it is a cantilever

To me it is more an arch with the ends anchored into the chassis bulk head

Of course a center pillar would be required, but more axial element rather than a flexural element like a pull rod.

[bdr529]

A cantilever is some thing that protrudes outward and is anchored at only one end, without support from the opposite side
an airplane wing is a cantilever design, so is the front wing of a F1 car
or like the Grand Canyon Sky walk which would be similar in concept to the halo device in question.



By the way, working in construction I can tell you
these are the scariest things to work on while under construction

[adrianjordan]

A cantilever is some thing that protrudes outward and is anchored at only one end, without support from the opposite side
an airplane wing is a cantilever design, so is the front wing of a F1 car
or like the Grand Canyon Sky walk which would be similar in concept to the halo device in question.

http://p3.pstatp.com/large/7912/3138334762

By the way, working in construction I can tell you
these are the scariest things to work on while under construction

I was about to ask "what about a half finished bridge?"...but then I guess that would technically be a cantilever anyway!!

[PlatinumZealot]

I don't understand the need for the center pillar.

Wouldn't the halo pipe by itself be strong enough to deflect the tyre?

It could work but might as well you put a windscreen there and allow the drivers to drive with visorless helmets. That would be great.

[FW17]

A cantilever is some thing that protrudes outward and is anchored at only one end, without support from the opposite side
an airplane wing is a cantilever design, so is the front wing of a F1 car
or like the Grand Canyon Sky walk which would be similar in concept to the halo device in question.

http://p3.pstatp.com/large/7912/3138334762

By the way, working in construction I can tell you
these are the scariest things to work on while under construction

A cantilever you are quoting will be loaded top down or along the y-axis

The halo is an arch which will be loaded horizontally along the x-axis

[SR71]

I agree. In my opinion, why not just introduced a fully closed cockpit? Sure, in times of a crash that might be difficult to get out, but:
-Le mans already runs it for a long time and as far I know, nobody died or got worse injuries because he couldn't be extracted right away out of the car due the closed cockpit
-There are ways to break/shatter glass in more ways then you think. Or how you can break car windows with a small piece of a spark plug but not with small rocks of the same size as the spark plug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhlmKHbPFhU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llu-ckEe5cQ

But muummm, there's shattered glass everywhere and I'm afraid of getting myself cut!

Shut up son, you wear a fireproof overall, a helmet designed to even make you survive an impact with broken parts and a HANS system that will keep your neck in one place during 300km/h crash. I don't think glass can get through.

Good points...

Except "breaking glass" as an extraction/safety mechanism has zero relevancy in a prototype race car - polymers will be involved with any 'clear' solution on an F1 car if nothing more than to save weight - keeping the broken glass argument alive isnt doing this issue any justice.

[FW17]

[SR71]

http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/f-22 ... 1371900308

Exactly, that's sheering a polycarbonate. Much more relevant to this discussion.