When will ALO leave McLaren?

[namao]

True to form, he'll switch to Mercedes just as their competitive advantage evaporates.

Alonso is one of the best drivers of F1's history, at the top 5, in my opinion. But, he is the worst driver at switching teams.
However, his years at Ferrari (specially 2012) were enormous having a not winning car.

[marvin78]

2012 Ferrari was a very good car. Why does everyone believe ALOs words when he talks about performance of the cars? So was the 2010s car. He is a pretty good driver but there is no proof whatsoever that he is really as good as he claims to be. I don't think that it is a coincidence, he es only won 2 championchips. As of his own talk he must have been a 10th time WM. But he isn't and there ist more to that than his poor judgement.

[namao]

2012 Ferrari was a very good car. Why does everyone believe ALOs words when he talks about performance of the cars? So was the 2010s car. He is a pretty good driver but there is no proof whatsoever that he is really as good as he claims to be. I don't think that it is a coincidence, he es only won 2 championchips. As of his own talk he must have been a 10th time WM. But he isn't and there ist more to that than his poor judgement.

I'm not talking about what ALO said. I'm talking about what I saw.

[FrukostScones]

Unfortunately Alonso has a habit of going to what WAS the best car; the McLaren stint after Renault being the exception. Took a 'gap year' out of desperation back at Renault, only to move to Ferrari who were in decline. Then a switch to McLaren, also in decline, but sold on the promise of revolution and having burned his bridges at Ferrari.

True to form, he'll switch to Mercedes just as their competitive advantage evaporates.

But no-one wants or needs him at Mercedes nor their advantage wil evaporate much (also in 2017 strong me thinks).
If HAM and ROS were too hard too mange for them (childsplay imo) than how would ALO-ROS or ALO-HAM would be managable?
... maybe ALO-Wehrlein would work but...
also ALO can definitly move to Renault in 2017 or 2018 (Ghosn wants him). If he can acceopt a lower pay of course.
If I was him, I would buy myself into a FINDIA (Force Asturias) or Williams. Would be so much more fun. for him and the fans.
But that will never happen as this humble pie is too big to swalla for him.

Also Red Bull always declined his advances... so the last Top Team he will drive for is eithe McLaren (if they can make it to the top again) or Renault.

[marvin78]

2012 Ferrari was a very good car. Why does everyone believe ALOs words when he talks about performance of the cars? So was the 2010s car. He is a pretty good driver but there is no proof whatsoever that he is really as good as he claims to be. I don't think that it is a coincidence, he es only won 2 championchips. As of his own talk he must have been a 10th time WM. But he isn't and there ist more to that than his poor judgement.

I'm not talking about what ALO said. I'm talking about what I saw.

Well. I'm following Formula 1 since the early 80s and I am pretty sure I can see an extra ordinary driver. And I don't see one in Alonso. He is a strong Racer but for an extra ordinary F1 driver you need more. Teamplay for example. Alonso doesn't have it (in my eyes). He had very good cars in 2010 and 2012 and he didn't manage to win the championchip with them but a driver which has the qualities he claims to have, would have.

[Vasconia]

I cant imagine anyone in the field doing more than Alonso did in 2012, even Schumacher said that Alonso was driving at a extraordinary leveL. I guess the German knows something about F1.

2010 was slightly different, he drove well but his opportunities to win the WC only existed because of the poor reliability and stupid moves in Red Bull. Nevertheless he and Ferrari lost it because they were too conservative and cowards in the last race.

[WaikeCU]

If Lewis makes it 3 in a Row at Merc, what are the chances Rosberg would say "Enough is enough". At some stage he must start to feel that (note : IF Lewis beats him to the title again) he is not going to win the championship in the same car as Lewis, will he bail out of Merc?

I can only see Lewis moving to Ferrari if he was unhappy at Merc, nobody else is realistically going to give him a shot at the title, so I doubt he will move easily.

Alonso getting into a Merc is totally dependant on a Merc inter team explosion resulting in Hamilton losing the championship and leaving, or Nico accepting that he is not able to beat Lewis over a season and leaves for another team.

This. I believe if it happens and Lewis will make it 3 in a row, Ferrari will persuade Nico going to Ferrari to be the driver alongside Vettel. There's a chance it might be Kimi' last one this season. Ferrari will probably tell Rosberg together with Sebastian's hunger to win, we'll make an even better car. A car that can make you finally beat Lewis.

The question would be: Are Mercedes convinced Alonso still has it to win Championships or would they place their favorite son Wehrlein next to Lewis?

[Facts Only]

If Lewis makes it 3 in a Row at Merc, what are the chances Rosberg would say "Enough is enough". At some stage he must start to feel that (note : IF Lewis beats him to the title again) he is not going to win the championship in the same car as Lewis, will he bail out of Merc?

I can only see Lewis moving to Ferrari if he was unhappy at Merc, nobody else is realistically going to give him a shot at the title, so I doubt he will move easily.

Alonso getting into a Merc is totally dependant on a Merc inter team explosion resulting in Hamilton losing the championship and leaving, or Nico accepting that he is not able to beat Lewis over a season and leaves for another team.

This. I believe if it happens and Lewis will make it 3 in a row, Ferrari will persuade Nico going to Ferrari to be the driver alongside Vettel. There's a chance it might be Kimi' last one this season. Ferrari will probably tell Rosberg together with Sebastian's hunger to win, we'll make an even better car. A car that can make you finally beat Lewis.

The question would be: Are Mercedes convinced Alonso still has it to win Championships or would they place their favorite son Wehrlein next to Lewis?

What would be the point of Mercedes taking Alonso alongside Hamilton? He's older than Hamilton and there is bad blood their already. There's just no sense it at all, you can only have 1 WDC.

They'll bring Wehrlein in and build him up while a clear number 1 (probably Hamilton) carries on winning drivers titles then when he retires they have their new number 1.

[continuum16]

2012 Ferrari was a very good car. Why does everyone believe ALOs words when he talks about performance of the cars? So was the 2010s car. He is a pretty good driver but there is no proof whatsoever that he is really as good as he claims to be. I don't think that it is a coincidence, he es only won 2 championchips. As of his own talk he must have been a 10th time WM. But he isn't and there ist more to that than his poor judgement.

If you're gonna look at how good the cars were, it's best to look at the second driver, because Alonso can "go faster than the car". In 2010, Massa was closer, the car was top three. In 2012, Massa was terrible ( didn't they qualify like 13th and 15th in first races?) and it was clearly Alonso pulling the weight, not the car which was worse than RB, Mclaren, lotus, and others. Again, see 2014 (Kimi was like 12th in standings).

Basically Alonso has made his bed at mclaren and he's gotta lay in it until the end. For once he must wait and if he can't win next year then he'll retire. Renault won't be good enough in time. Ferrari won't have him back, RB has at least three good drivers between them and STR, Merc has Wehrlein or Bottas as an option if someone leaves. Williams won't be winning championships anytime soon, so he has only one choice.

[marvin78]

I don't like this comparison with the teammate in general. Alsonso likes cars almost no other driver likes (understeering). It looks like he is fast in any car but even better in cars that are unusual. But that says nothing about the mentioned "hole driver package". In the end he is not capable of forming a team an he makes very poor decisions. This counts very much if you want to rate a driver. One example: Alonso wins, it's him, Alonso looses, it was the car (according to ALO). Maybe that is not always completly wrong but you do not motivate your team with this. So he is the one who wastes is talent.

[Andres125sx]

Unfortunately Alonso has a habit of going to what WAS the best car

That´s what happens when best teams in F1 want you to join them... Ferrari, McLaren, Renault... Any of them WERE the best cars someday, because they´re the best teams in f1.


Ericsson will never have that problem

[Andres125sx]

2012 Ferrari was a very good car. Why does everyone believe ALOs words when he talks about performance of the cars? So was the 2010s car. He is a pretty good driver but there is no proof whatsoever that he is really as good as he claims to be. I don't think that it is a coincidence, he es only won 2 championchips. As of his own talk he must have been a 10th time WM. But he isn't and there ist more to that than his poor judgement.

Because we have eyes on our faces and see f1 drivers performing, we compare perfomance with his team mates, etc.

When some car almost always start from pole, with his team mate usually right at his side in same first row, while other car usually start from 5th-6th place, with his team mate even further back the grid, and both cars fight for the title, you really don´t need much more than that to know what car is better/faster

When his team mates always look slower than they really are, and/or his cars usually look stronger than they really are, then you know you´re watching one of the big boys. Webber and now Kimi suffered that with Vettel, while Massa, Trulli, Fisicho and also Kimi suffered that with Alonso.

[diffuser]

You do realize he has 2/3irds of his contract left?????

The silly season usually starts in the fall for everyone else except Alonzo. For him it year round!

[dot235]

First of all I 'm a big fan of Ron Dennis (though he seems to be a very strange weirdo <....>

Doesn't "strange" and "weirdo" counteract one another and make him normal?

One would assume that:
normal weirdo = weird
strange weirdo = strange by weirdo's standards = normal

This is a technical post by the way.

[Gaz.]

Unfortunately Alonso has a habit of going to what WAS the best car; the McLaren stint after Renault being the exception. Took a 'gap year' out of desperation back at Renault, only to move to Ferrari who were in decline. Then a switch to McLaren, also in decline, but sold on the promise of revolution and having burned his bridges at Ferrari.

True to form, he'll switch to Mercedes just as their competitive advantage evaporates.

But no-one wants or needs him at Mercedes nor their advantage wil evaporate much (also in 2017 strong me thinks).
If HAM and ROS were too hard too mange for them (childsplay imo) than how would ALO-ROS or ALO-HAM would be managable?
... maybe ALO-Wehrlein would work but...
also ALO can definitly move to Renault in 2017 or 2018 (Ghosn wants him). If he can acceopt a lower pay of course.
If I was him, I would buy myself into a FINDIA (Force Asturias) or Williams. Would be so much more fun. for him and the fans.
But that will never happen as this humble pie is too big to swalla for him.

Also Red Bull always declined his advances... so the last Top Team he will drive for is eithe McLaren (if they can make it to the top again) or Renault.

It was well documented that RBR wanted to sign Alonso in November 2007:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/n ... orts.sport

The above story was confirmed by both Alonso's manager and Deitrich in 2013 at the Hungarian GP.