2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

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It's better to be safe than sorry when it comes to drivers who've been crashes where drivers have taken the impact aka concussion risks or possible bone fractures. He could for example get into another heavy crash and then one of his already injured ribs could break and puncture a lung. We have to keep in mind that accident could have turned out very differently indeed. Sure I want to see Alonso race, but not at the cost of his health.

On a positive note we get to see what Vandoorne can do, not the best of circumstances to make your race debut in but you have to the take the opportunities when they arise.

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There is going to sooo much talk in the next few week about his return in China or not...it will be a mad house!
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Wow Goran and proteus, you do realise that it isn't him who made the decision not to drive. He was declared unfit to drive by the medical examiner.

What the hell are you guys on about. Using the logic that other people had crashes and still drove is frankly stupid, sometimes you can have a big crash and walk away with no bruising, other times a light crash can cause serious damage just through the way your body moves.

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Can someone of those exposing MotoGP riders compete even with broken bones point me to some example of a rider competing with a broken rib?

Please do not mix things, you can compete with a broken bone in a hand or foot, but not with a broken rib. Well you can, but you shouldn´t. A broken hand can´t kill you in case of another big accident, but a broken rib can if it punctures a lung

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trinidefender wrote:Wow Goran and proteus, you do realise that it isn't him who made the decision not to drive. He was declared unfit to drive by the medical examiner.

What the hell are you guys on about. Using the logic that other people had crashes and still drove is frankly stupid, sometimes you can have a big crash and walk away with no bruising, other times a light crash can cause serious damage just through the way your body moves.
i already explained i didn't know all the detail on his injuries at the begining!
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btw, I´ve suffered some rib injury, and the only fact Alonso was ready to drive even with a broken rib to me is asthonishing. A broken rib hurts even when you breathe, it took me some weeks until I was able to breathe deeply. For that reason I can´t imagine how painfull it must be into a F1 car when they have to take 5Gs on their chest in brakings :shock:

I once read F1 drivers can´t breathe on brakings due to the pressure they take on their chests by the seatbelts, I think it was De la Rosa. Alonso was ready to take that even with a broken rib... and some people still say current drivers are prima-donnas?

OMG I hope you never suffer a rib injury, but you should to really understand what´s the size of Alonso´s balls

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TankMarvin wrote:
proteus wrote: In 1999 both Zonta and Villeneueve suffered heavy crashes and jet they drove practically next day. So this are definetly some strange games Fernando is playing, or he is delicate as a flower.
Different medical procedures back then and a huge amount of focus on sports injuries resulting for heavy impacts today.

No guarantee either of them (or Coulthard after his helicopter crash) would have been allowed to race if their incidents had happened today.
Plus loads of common sense, something that some people here are missing, as far as I can see.

Sad to see Alonso out of this race but this is the most logic thing they could have done. Another incident and Alonso´s health and life could be in danger.

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Its for the best if ALO sits out this GP, and it will give a great opportunity to Vandoorne to show up his skills against JB
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Andres125sx wrote:btw, I´ve suffered some rib injury, and the only fact Alonso was ready to drive even with a broken rib to me is asthonishing. A broken rib hurts even when you breathe, it took me some weeks until I was able to breathe deeply. For that reason I can´t imagine how painfull it must be into a F1 car when they have to take 5Gs on their chest in brakings :shock:

I once read F1 drivers can´t breathe on brakings due to the pressure they take on their chests by the seatbelts, I think it was De la Rosa. Alonso was ready to take that even with a broken rib... and some people still say current drivers are prima-donnas?

OMG I hope you never suffer a rib injury, but you should to really understand what´s the size of Alonso´s balls
Same here, I suffered some bruised ribs last season playing american football. I remember my chest hurting whenever I was breathing heavily, coughing or laughing (the worst!). Bruised ribs I said, but I haven't been to the doctor to get a check up, so I never knew if I had hairline fractured ribs. I don't think if your adrenaline kicks in, the pain would go away.

I wonder if Alonso would've raced, he would have raced on painkillers?

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As per usual, I'm amazed at some of the comments here. If you've ever even bruised a rib, it feels like you're near death. And lets say Fernando did race and had another crash. The fracture in the rib becomes a break and that can be serious. Niki Lauda had a rib pop out in a race in 1976 and it narrowly missed puncturing a lung, and that's even worse. Also we have to remember Fernando is older and, to put in motorcycle racer lingo, "doesn't bounce like he used to".

For the sake of health and well being, the right call has been made. Although it is sad that he seems to keep suffering injuries as a result of the new McLaren's of late. Wouldn't be surprised at this stage if he just retires and goes drive Porsche's in WEC or even go home and teach new Spanish stars how to drive.
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WaikeCU wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:btw, I´ve suffered some rib injury, and the only fact Alonso was ready to drive even with a broken rib to me is asthonishing. A broken rib hurts even when you breathe, it took me some weeks until I was able to breathe deeply. For that reason I can´t imagine how painfull it must be into a F1 car when they have to take 5Gs on their chest in brakings :shock:

I once read F1 drivers can´t breathe on brakings due to the pressure they take on their chests by the seatbelts, I think it was De la Rosa. Alonso was ready to take that even with a broken rib... and some people still say current drivers are prima-donnas?

OMG I hope you never suffer a rib injury, but you should to really understand what´s the size of Alonso´s balls
Same here, I suffered some bruised ribs last season playing american football. I remember my chest hurting whenever I was breathing heavily, coughing or laughing (the worst!). Bruised ribs I said, but I haven't been to the doctor to get a check up, so I never knew if I had hairline fractured ribs. I don't think if your adrenaline kicks in, the pain would go away.

I wonder if Alonso would've raced, he would have raced on painkillers?
Direct injection into the affected areas and probably more than once. If not, a driver would unlikely recover from the FPS days. Bruised ribs would hurt as hell on any brakepoint and any lateral g. I mean, even in the most amateurish go-karting you get your ribs slightly bruised if you're skinny enough and don't paddle the side of the seat and then the day after it hurst quite a lot.

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Andres125sx wrote:Can someone of those exposing MotoGP riders compete even with broken bones point me to some example of a rider competing with a broken rib?

Please do not mix things, you can compete with a broken bone in a hand or foot, but not with a broken rib. Well you can, but you shouldn´t. A broken hand can´t kill you in case of another big accident, but a broken rib can if it punctures a lung
Alex Baros I have raced with broken bones in my hand, broken ribs and broken bones in my feet before now.
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/72807/ ... 2DZKE6l.99

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tok-tokkie wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:Can someone of those exposing MotoGP riders compete even with broken bones point me to some example of a rider competing with a broken rib?

Please do not mix things, you can compete with a broken bone in a hand or foot, but not with a broken rib. Well you can, but you shouldn´t. A broken hand can´t kill you in case of another big accident, but a broken rib can if it punctures a lung
Alex Baros I have raced with broken bones in my hand, broken ribs and broken bones in my feet before now.
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/72807/ ... 2DZKE6l.99
Luckily for him his chest and broken ribs didn´t need to hold his body weight multiplied by a factor of 5, like F1 drivers on each braking point

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Andres125sx wrote:Can someone of those exposing MotoGP riders compete even with broken bones point me to some example of a rider competing with a broken rib?

Please do not mix things, you can compete with a broken bone in a hand or foot, but not with a broken rib. Well you can, but you shouldn´t. A broken hand can´t kill you in case of another big accident, but a broken rib can if it punctures a lung
Colin Edwards competed with bruised ribs a week after also breaking his collarbone in 2011 and finished 3rd but that's the only real example I can find of someone competing with an injury to ribs in recent motorcycling times.
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