2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[Tauri_J]

Less downforce equals more sliding and wheelspin.

And that helps to eat tyres a lot faster.

[damager21]

Less downforce equals more sliding and wheelspin.

And that helps to eat tyres a lot faster.

More wheelspin could be due to poor driveability of the engine. Whatever the cause - low DF, poor driveability or suspension setup, they need to quickly find a solution

[bauc]

Great drive by Vandoorne, the guy has some race craft for sure. Too bad for the ERS failure on JB's car as I'm sure we would have finished 7th or 8th for sure.
Looking forward to the next Race.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Great Drive by Vandoorne, showing he really deserves a McLaren Seat next Year. Reliability still not completely figured out sadly. I hope it's something easy to fix in the Future.

Not sure I would go as far to say he deserves a McLaren seat, Button retired after all and he was already ahead of Vandoorne at that point. I think there's speed in the car, they just need a clean weekend to make the most out of it.

1. He outqualified a former world champion on debut
2. He scored the first point for McLaren this season
3. Very good and mature overtakes

Remember he has never had a F1 raceweekend before and he is up to speed with Button.

Button retired. How can you say he is up to speed with Button? Button had the pace in practice. He lost out due to silly qualifying format, and he was ahead in the race before he retired...

I really don't think after a single race we can say Vandoorne is ready for a full McLaren race seat. Just look how well Magnussen's first race went, and then look at how he did in the long term... right now he is being outclassed by his rookie team mate...

Vandoorne needs to get a race seat in F1, but McLaren isn't the place to do it, unless they want to accept their place as midfielders now?

[max_speed]

McLaren with those rear wings and setup is clearly masking Honda's speed deficit and that is eating up tires more quickly than they would like. There is a need to find at least 0.5 sec to fight Williams and Torro Rosso. I am not sure if the upgrades McLaren brought here really worked or not. I believe Spain is where we may see some real upgrades.

Also, Jenson's retirement due to ERS is not good news for Honda. We all thought the engine is at least reliable, doesn't look like. Will be interesting to see if they change MGU-H or MGU-K for next race.

i agree to it partially. my guess is that power is up there but chasis is not that good. yesterday after 1st stop verstappen and vandoorne both went on super soft and vandoorne was just behind him. i hoped that we will see a fight between two but soon toro rosso was pulling close to 1 second per lap gap and in few laps vestappen was gone. race pace of mclaren is not good at all.

[Thunder]

Nowhere did i say he would have been in Front of Jenson would he have not been forced to retire.

But he showed all weekend long that he is Mature, Cool in heated Race Situations (the First 2 Laps today were a mess) and really Fast. I don't know from the top of my Head how long Jenson's Contract lasts but if he doesn't have a Contract for next Year we could possibly see Stoffel in the Macca. I PERSONALLY think he is readyfor McLaren. If they can strike a Deal with Sauber for Honda Engines and get him a Seat there for a Year it would be good too. He needs to be in F1 2017, would be a huge shame if not.

Edit: McLaren Race Report
http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/2016/ba ... ce-report/

[CjC]

Least see if Alonso can race in China. Stoffel might get a second chance, another chance to show everyone some consistency.
On the other hand, didn't he show enough consistency last season in GP2? He did in my opinion

[Vasconia]

The Belgian did a great race, good speed and overtakes.

McLaren is showing serious signs of improvement. Bahrein is a track which requieres a good PU and McLaren did have a good pace even battling an overtaking some good cars. Barcelona should mark the next step forward.

[Andres125sx]

McLaren with those rear wings and setup is clearly masking Honda's speed deficit and that is eating up tires more quickly than they would like. There is a need to find at least 0.5 sec to fight Williams and Torro Rosso. I am not sure if the upgrades McLaren brought here really worked or not. I believe Spain is where we may see some real upgrades.

Also, Jenson's retirement due to ERS is not good news for Honda. We all thought the engine is at least reliable, doesn't look like. Will be interesting to see if they change MGU-H or MGU-K for next race.

Correct me if I am wrong but as far as I know eating tyres quicker would mean more downforce

It´s the other way around, more downforce means more grip, so you´re not pushing your tires as hard

With less downforce (to reduce drag and mask PU deficit) grip decreases, so car slide a lot more, increasing tire wear

[Thunder]

https://twitter.com/mclarenstore/status ... 3247441920

[Sasha]

I would take the odds this will be Buttons last year at Mclaren.

And the a lot cheaper salary rookie open eyes last weekend!

[Nickel]

McLaren with those rear wings and setup is clearly masking Honda's speed deficit and that is eating up tires more quickly than they would like. There is a need to find at least 0.5 sec to fight Williams and Torro Rosso. I am not sure if the upgrades McLaren brought here really worked or not. I believe Spain is where we may see some real upgrades.

Also, Jenson's retirement due to ERS is not good news for Honda. We all thought the engine is at least reliable, doesn't look like. Will be interesting to see if they change MGU-H or MGU-K for next race.

Correct me if I am wrong but as far as I know eating tyres quicker would mean more downforce

It´s the other way around, more downforce means more grip, so you´re not pushing your tires as hard

With less downforce (to reduce drag and mask PU deficit) grip decreases, so car slide a lot more, increasing tire wear

I'm not certain that's strictly true with pirelli f1 tires... They're designed to degrade thermally as opposed to through carcass wear. If your car produces more downforce, you will indeed produce less carcass wear, but you may put more heat into the tire. Too much and they're wrecked. I believe this plagued rbr one year... Sorry for the OT.

[F1Master]

As the Honda engine has a power deficit, McLaren has to run a flatter wings unlike the Mercedes powered cars which run steeper wings. The flatter wings means the car has less down force which means they can't accelerate quicker out of the corners, therefore they lose time around the corners. If McLaren could run steep wings and had similar horsepower to the Ferrari and Mercedes powered car then McLaren- Honda would be right there fighting with them. At the end of the season DC commentated that the McLaren through sound analysis has the 3rd best chassis behind the Merc and the RB.

[Vasconia]

Well, the deficit has been reduced as we could see in Bahrein, and I think China will be more suitable to this car though there is a long straight. The next big upgrade should come in Barcelona where we will se what McLaren can do this season.

[Jef Patat]

Just another perspective:
https://vid.me/2R48
Button overtook Vandoorne with a bit of luck, though at the end of the first lap Stoffel made a mistake.
That car looks quite stable!