2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

For ease of use, there is one thread per grand prix where you can discuss everything during that specific GP weekend. You can find these threads here.
User avatar
dans79
267
Joined: 03 Mar 2013, 19:33
Location: USA

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

f1316 wrote:they're essentially too soft for a track like this and don't last the full lap (e.g. Kimi's final sector/Vettel's first).
Yea, I would try and use only softs in q2 so i can start on them, even if i just squeak into q3.
201 105 104 9 9 7

Sevach
Sevach
1081
Joined: 07 Jun 2012, 17:00

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

In the middle of qualy rule changes there's something i didn't see mentioned.

Is Q3 8 cars still or back to 10?
Could be the difference for making it on softs.

User avatar
dans79
267
Joined: 03 Mar 2013, 19:33
Location: USA

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Sevach wrote: Is Q3 8 cars still or back to 10?
Could be the difference for making it on softs.
I think it's back to 10!
201 105 104 9 9 7

f1316
f1316
82
Joined: 22 Feb 2012, 18:36

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

dans79 wrote:
f1316 wrote:they're essentially too soft for a track like this and don't last the full lap (e.g. Kimi's final sector/Vettel's first).
Yea, I would try and use only softs in q2 so i can start on them, even if i just squeak into q3.
I'll think top two teams will probably try but won't risk it if it seems close. But if they don't, it'll be like 2013 with the first guys on softs leading at a certain stage and the front runners having to overtake (NB: those who started on softer tyres still occupied the entire podium in 2013).

User avatar
Thunder
Moderator
Joined: 06 Feb 2013, 09:50
Location: Germany

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

It's reverted to 2015 so pretty sure it will be 10.
turbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
#aerogollum

sriraj1031
sriraj1031
-1
Joined: 21 Feb 2008, 11:18

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/152 ... ce-ferrari

Ferrari 1 and 2 and Mercedes seems to be holding back a little more than expected

User avatar
Juzh
161
Joined: 06 Oct 2012, 08:45

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Ferrais and mercs were all doing 330+ in qualifying last year. At the moment they're at 320 or a bit over that. There's loads of time still to come from them.

http://imgur.com/a/fyNxq

Still an Iceman
Still an Iceman
0
Joined: 06 Mar 2016, 18:50

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Can someone explain to me how is that possible for McLaren to be on the top of the speed trap sheet from FP2 ?

User avatar
gandharva
252
Joined: 06 Feb 2012, 15:19
Location: Munich

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Low(er) downforce setup and maybe slipstream. Similar to RedBull. They need to compensate the huge power deficits of the Honda and Renault engine to not get eaten up during race from Merc/Ferrari powered customers. It's a very tricky situation. If you take off too much df you run into problems in quali and with tire wear, if you add too much, you will likely have problems (DRS overtaking) in the race.

Just_a_fan
Just_a_fan
593
Joined: 31 Jan 2010, 20:37

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

It's not unusual for a "slow" car to top the speed charts. Minardi used to do it quite regularly, for example. Downforce and drag are linked so the more downforce you carry, the more drag you pull. The big teams spend a lot of money overcoming this by improving efficiency. The small teams overcome it by running less downforce. Less downforce means higher lap times but also higher top speeds.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

User avatar
gandharva
252
Joined: 06 Feb 2012, 15:19
Location: Munich

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Just_a_fan wrote:The big teams spend a lot of money overcoming this by improving efficiency. The small teams overcome it by running less downforce. Less downforce means higher lap times but also higher top speeds.
All teams are forced to run less downforce. Also the big ones. Increasing efficiency only helps partially here, but is of course the best practice to achieve that target. I also think the only car in 2016s grid, that has been specifically, or at least partially designed for this purpose, is the RedBull.

User avatar
iotar__
7
Joined: 28 Sep 2012, 12:31

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

gandharva wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:The big teams spend a lot of money overcoming this by improving efficiency. The small teams overcome it by running less downforce. Less downforce means higher lap times but also higher top speeds.
All teams are forced to run less downforce. Also the big ones. Increasing efficiency only helps partially here, but is of course the best practice to achieve that target. I also think the only car in 2016s grid, that has been specifically, or at least partially designed for this purpose, is the RedBull.
Agree with the first part (all teams in China - medium-ish df, not only small teams) disagree with the second. No one designs cars like that.

What happened to Haas? I thought that with "Ferrari donkey" this "great car" with "perfect turning" (based on one corner 2 s onboard #-o in Bahrain) it would be one of the best in China?

GoranF1
GoranF1
155
Joined: 16 Dec 2014, 12:53
Location: Zagreb,Croatia

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Just_a_fan wrote:It's not unusual for a "slow" car to top the speed charts. Minardi used to do it quite regularly, for example. Downforce and drag are linked so the more downforce you carry, the more drag you pull. The big teams spend a lot of money overcoming this by improving efficiency. The small teams overcome it by running less downforce. Less downforce means higher lap times but also higher top speeds.
the Mclaren is the biggest team,and have best driver today.
"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication & competence."

User avatar
ME4ME
79
Joined: 19 Dec 2014, 16:37

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Lots of drivers frustrated with Pirelli:

Grosjean:
"You just don't get any feeling, it's like a piece of wood - it's just not driveable.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosj ... le-687255/

Ricciardo:
"I assume most guys are struggling for balance, because we seem to be relatively competitive but the car was a bit of a handful today
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricci ... ul-687266/

Button:
“I think everyone’s really struggling with the tyres out there, with the graining and overheating. The minimum pressures are very high so it’s tough for everyone out there.”
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/04/15/b ... pressures/

Vettel:
I think China is quite brutal on the tyres for everyone, you can see they were sliding a lot.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vette ... ri-687241/

User avatar
Vasconia
6
Joined: 30 Aug 2012, 10:45
Location: Basque Country

Re: 2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

Post

Wow! it seems that we will have a very eventful race with these problems.

Pirelli must be happy with all these comments. :mrgreen: