2017-2020 Aerodynamic Regulations Thread

[Big Mangalhit]

"We have periodically reset the aero to stay within a certain window and at the moment we are at a historic highs of downforce, so it would be time to go lower and that would give a benefit in car following and recover where we were in 2013.

I don't buy this, I don't think the cars make more downforce than they did in 2013, they don't have exhaust blowing, maybe they have better high speed downforce, but overall...

I was very impressed with this sentence actually. I was prepared to hear something in the lines of, "F1 is in the right balance now, we should not touch anything" from the team principal of the winning team. But instead he seems to advocate some sort of change, except it is the opposite way to the FIA.

I think he must know what he is talking about since he did all those experiments as opposed to us amateur aerodynamicists. But then again, the people in charge of the rules must also have this information but still want to increase DF, although I think it is because they are motivated for things like the visual aspect of the car instead of the sport itself. I am more and more of the opinion this revamp for 2017 will turn out to be an awful idea, at least the way it is now.

[dmjunqueira]

"There's a great risk that we go into 2017 with cars that are probably going to have 30 percent more downforce than today but won't go any quicker because the tyre pressures will have been increased so much to respond to that load."

This is the part that worries me the most...
Because I would like to see cars relying more on mechanical grip instead of aero (or less aero-dependent)...But it seems they are not even sure if the new tires will work.

[Juzh]

"There's a great risk that we go into 2017 with cars that are probably going to have 30 percent more downforce than today but won't go any quicker because the tyre pressures will have been increased so much to respond to that load."

Nonsense excuse. In that case pirelli should build better tires (structurally).
I wonder how bridgestone and michelin managed it. I really do.

"We have periodically reset the aero to stay within a certain window and at the moment we are at a historic highs of downforce, so it would be time to go lower and that would give a benefit in car following and recover where we were in 2013.

I don't buy this, I don't think the cars make more downforce than they did in 2013, they don't have exhaust blowing, maybe they have better high speed downforce, but overall...

They don't. Wait till we get to barcelona. Suddenly 2016 cars won't seem so fast at all.

[Thunder]

Nonsense excuse. In that case pirelli should build better tires (structurally).
I wonder how bridgestone and michelin managed it. I really do.

But that's exactly the Point. Can Pirelli can make proper Tires? I have my doubts but would love to be wrong.

[ME4ME]

"There's a great risk that we go into 2017 with cars that are probably going to have 30 percent more downforce than today but won't go any quicker because the tyre pressures will have been increased so much to respond to that load."

Nonsense excuse. In that case pirelli should build better tires (structurally).
I wonder how bridgestone and michelin managed it. I really do.

That is exactly what I've been wondering as well. How could they be so quick in the past, but now it seems impossible. Are Pirelli that incapable?

I think a big part can be explained by the weight of the cars. In 2017 they will be what, 100kg heavier than in 2004/5 when they set most track records? That's obviously a substantial increase which will have a great impact on tyres.

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Lowe is obviously not very objective and he tried to avoid some questions. We (and his former colleague in the OWG; Byrne) did not want to remove the wings

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That is exactly what I've been wondering as well. How could they be so quick in the past, but now it seems impossible. Are Pirelli that incapable?

Open the tire war back up. I'm sure Michelin will answer the phone.

[Thunder]

On the Matter of Pirelli:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirel ... ay-688280/

Ohh please F1 be F1 and delay things a bit more.... Jean Todt surely has the Michelin Number on Quick Dial

[turbof1]

On the Matter of Pirelli:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirel ... ay-688280/

Ohh please F1 be F1 and delay things a bit more.... Jean Todt surely has the Michelin Number on Quick Dial

Aside that I do wish for Michelin in F1 as well, I think Pirelli's stance is correct. Even Michelin with testing had issues in motogp; going for a completely different tyre requires testing to ensure performance and safety.

[McMrocks]

"There's a great risk that we go into 2017 with cars that are probably going to have 30 percent more downforce than today but won't go any quicker because the tyre pressures will have been increased so much to respond to that load."

Nonsense excuse. In that case pirelli should build better tires (structurally).
I wonder how bridgestone and michelin managed it. I really do.

The RB6/7 has allegedly more downforce than the 2006 cars. And i don't think we are far away from that in 2016. So if you add 1/3 of the downforce to one of the best cars ever it could cause problems.

However with wider tyres it should be possible though. Pirelli didn't do very well in the past (delaminating tyres and mysterious working windows)

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Do we need larger tires? do we need 6seconds faster cars

[Sevach]

On the Matter of Pirelli:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirel ... ay-688280/

Ohh please F1 be F1 and delay things a bit more.... Jean Todt surely has the Michelin Number on Quick Dial

Sorry to burst your hopes and dreams, FIA approved the Pirelli testing schedule.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/formu ... an-688438/

[Vyssion]

Do we need larger tires? do we need 6seconds faster cars

Yes. #end

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Do we need larger tires? do we need 6seconds faster cars

Yes. #end

No. #end

[mclaren111]

Most important changes needed:

1. Bigger Tyres
2. Less Downforce
3. Louder Engines - 6 Speed Gearbox that enables revs up to 15 000
4. Smaller FW