2016 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi, Apr. 29 - May 01

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Re: 2016 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi, Apr. 29 - May 01

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giantfan10 wrote:[
whats surprising is that Hamilton changed his gearox AGAIN... must have damaged his in his collision too.
where did you see this? I wonder how that works out regulations wise?
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Andres125sx wrote:
GoranF1 wrote:
motobaleno wrote:
and now fernando feels really better right?
with a faster and more reliable car for sure.
2nd or last...same thing
This. Probably not for drivers like Verstappen or Grosjean, but it is for a two times WDC, second and last are the same.

And yes, Fernando now feels really better, even if 13th. He got too frustrated at Ferrari when he only could fight for 2nd as much, and that was outdriving a faster car (webber), and in the seasons with best perfomance by Ferrari, from that point Ferrari went downward so I can see his frustration with the red team

Now Vettel will have to prove if he really is the team player many people think he is. It´s easy to be a team player with a winning car or in first season of a new project, but we´ll see how does he handle second season with no options for the title. Alonso handled 5 seasons before getting too frustrated, 4 if you want, we´ll see if Seb can handle that much

I wouldn´t bet for that, specially if his car continue with reliability problems
Well if its second or last for Alonso, then why would Vettel be any different? If they are not first they as well may not even run...

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Andres125sx wrote:
GoranF1 wrote:
motobaleno wrote:
and now fernando feels really better right?
with a faster and more reliable car for sure.
2nd or last...same thing
This. Probably not for drivers like Verstappen or Grosjean, but it is for a two times WDC, second and last are the same.

And yes, Fernando now feels really better, even if 13th. He got too frustrated at Ferrari when he only could fight for 2nd as much, and that was outdriving a faster car (webber), and in the seasons with best perfomance by Ferrari, from that point Ferrari went downward so I can see his frustration with the red team

Now Vettel will have to prove if he really is the team player many people think he is. It´s easy to be a team player with a winning car or in first season of a new project, but we´ll see how does he handle second season with no options for the title. Alonso handled 5 seasons before getting too frustrated, 4 if you want, we´ll see if Seb can handle that much

I wouldn´t bet for that, specially if his car continue with reliability problems
It is premature to be making such a statement. I don't think Vettel has anything to prove. He can be satisfied with 2015 achieving the most successful debut season for a Ferrari driver. He will continue to be motivated to stay at the team as long as the results improve year on year. I feel in general Ferrari are more competitive in performance terms at least and he will appreciate Ferrari needed to be aggressive for gains whilst sacrificing performance. With Alonso's 2014 season Ferrari had neither.

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Sacrificing reliability for performance I meant to say. ^ :)

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PlatinumZealot wrote:I think Kimi slows VEttel down because Vettel just seems too nice to him on track because he's his friend. I like Vettel better when he's ruthless to his teammate, that's when you see the best Vettel.
Vettle is too nice to Kimi? I really don't think so. Vettle pretends to be nice to Kimi, but on track(especially at the start of race), he usually left no space for Kimi.(Australia and China)

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rich1701 wrote:[Vettel] can be satisfied with 2015 achieving the most successful debut season for a Ferrari driver.
Raikkonen was champ in his first year at Ferrari.

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rich1701 wrote:He can be satisfied with 2015 achieving the most successful debut season for a Ferrari driver.
2007?
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rich1701 wrote:He can be satisfied with 2015 achieving the most successful debut season for a Ferrari driver.
Fangio - 1956 - WDC?
Jody Scheckter - 1979 - WDC?
Kimi Raikkonen - 2007 - WDC?

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godlameroso wrote:Don't just take my word for it. Here's the final stint of Lewis Hamilton on medium tires in 2015, below it you'll see Alonso's final stint in 2016 also on the medium tires. If you notice the times are very similar.

1:43.595[1]
36 1:43.697[1]
37 ....


1:42.833[14]
35 1:42.304[13]
36 ...
Fair enough. I did some checking and indeed the cars seem faster to the amount you said. Not convinced about the Mclaren WCC challenge thing, but I guess it's irrelevant anyway.

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godlameroso wrote:
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Looks like Honda still comes up short with MGU-H harvesting because there's more than enough braking here to charge 2MJ.
I'm not sure how you are calculating that. This is one of the worse circuits for MGU-K harvesting, similar to Silverstone. 10% of the lap under braking 10.3 seconds, 1.2 MJ potential recovery, probably around 0.6 achieved.
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rich1701 wrote:He can be satisfied with 2015 achieving the most successful debut season for a Ferrari driver.
Apart from those WDC mentioned above....

Vettel on his first season in red:
WDC: 3th
Victories: 3

Alonso on his first season in red:
WDC: 2nd
Victories: 5

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rich1701 wrote: With Alonso's 2014 season Ferrari had neither.
And surely Alonso was the responsible for Ferrari being 4th in the WCC and be unable to fight for any victory and only two podiums, while his teammate was unable to make one sinlge podium, right?
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I think he might have probably meant pointwise (???) the most successful debut.

Edit: still it does not make sense, for instance Kimi got 110 points which is ~ 275 points but only in 17 races.

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henry wrote:
godlameroso wrote:
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Looks like Honda still comes up short with MGU-H harvesting because there's more than enough braking here to charge 2MJ.
I'm not sure how you are calculating that. This is one of the worse circuits for MGU-K harvesting, similar to Silverstone. 10% of the lap under braking 10.3 seconds, 1.2 MJ potential recovery, probably around 0.6 achieved.
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