2016 F1 Spanish Grand Prix

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Chene_Mostert wrote:
Shrieker wrote:Chene watch again lol.

Or just let me make your life easier:
GPR-A wrote:One of the cleanest shot. Look at Lewis' steering and he is ready to go left, but Nico kept closing the door, despite having Lewis almost next to him. Nico had poor pace out of that turn and Lewis came blazing in. Clearly, Nico's fault.

http://s32.postimg.org/528hugzn8/spain_2.jpg
At that point Rosberg should've stopped squeezing him.
Why?
Haha. And on that bombshell. I'm out. I fully agree with Schrieker and GPR-A. No point further discussing.
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ripper
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In my opinion ROS didn't give enough space to HAM and he has far more responsability for the crash.

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Chene_Mostert wrote:
Shrieker wrote:Chene watch again lol.

Or just let me make your life easier:
GPR-A wrote:One of the cleanest shot. Look at Lewis' steering and he is ready to go left, but Nico kept closing the door, despite having Lewis almost next to him. Nico had poor pace out of that turn and Lewis came blazing in. Clearly, Nico's fault.

http://s32.postimg.org/528hugzn8/spain_2.jpg
At that point Rosberg should've stopped squeezing him.
Why?
I thought it was a racing incident at first with each driver equally at fault but after seeing further analysis, it's pretty clear why. And the rules say:

27.7 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

http://www.fia.com/regulations/regulati ... onship-110

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Chene_Mostert wrote:
Shrieker wrote:Chene watch again lol.

Or just let me make your life easier:
GPR-A wrote:One of the cleanest shot. Look at Lewis' steering and he is ready to go left, but Nico kept closing the door, despite having Lewis almost next to him. Nico had poor pace out of that turn and Lewis came blazing in. Clearly, Nico's fault.

http://s32.postimg.org/528hugzn8/spain_2.jpg
At that point Rosberg should've stopped squeezing him.
Why?
Because of this.... The Rule.
"any driver defending his position on a straight and before any braking area may use the full width of the track during his first move provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason."
"For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion"

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Shrieker wrote:Chene watch again lol.

Or just let me make your life easier:
GPR-A wrote:One of the cleanest shot. Look at Lewis' steering and he is ready to go left, but Nico kept closing the door, despite having Lewis almost next to him. Nico had poor pace out of that turn and Lewis came blazing in. Clearly, Nico's fault.

http://s32.postimg.org/528hugzn8/spain_2.jpg
The front wing is alongside and so is the front wheel. At that point Rosberg should've stopped squeezing him.
The irony is that if Hamilton had just held his line just there, Rosberg would have spun around in front of him by the contact on his rear wheel and probably in to the wall. Hamilton would have lost his front wing but possibly survived. By attempting to avoid Ros, Ham effectively did himself no favours.

Another irony is that Hamilton had a better start than Rosberg for the first time this season. Watching the overhead you can see him pull away initially but then Rosberg makes up ground and takes the corner. It was a great take by Rosberg. I wonder if the settings they were in had an effect on this.
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Moanlower wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
Moanlower wrote:
There was a clear reason, defending the inside for the next right hander. Only thing you can blame ROS for is closing the door a bit late. But stating it like you did means you don't understand much about racing.
lol now i dont know racing..... give me a break!push your temmate off the track because you got an engine setting wrong? really? thats good clean racing? He caused the contact by tring to slam the door on Hamilton forcing him off the track... its poetic justice that hamilton spun and wiped out Rosberg. He knew he was down 180Hp and he knew hamilton was going to blow by him...knowing all that i put the blame squarely on Rosberg. He could have left Hamilton room on the track knowing that he was waaaay slower.....
Quoting yourself in case you forgot what you said and what I wa refering to.

" there was no reason for Rosberg to be on the far right of the track for the coming right hander but to block Hamilton" Giantfan10
i clarified exactly what i was trying to say in my second post...moving over ... no issue.... not leaving room when you know your teammates front wheel is alongside your rear wheel and you're way slower then yes thats an issue

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GPR-A wrote:
Chene_Mostert wrote:
Shrieker wrote:Chene watch again lol.

Or just let me make your life easier:



At that point Rosberg should've stopped squeezing him.
Why?
Because of this.... The Rule.
"any driver defending his position on a straight and before any braking area may use the full width of the track during his first move provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason."
"For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion"
Rosberg started moving way before Hamilton was alongside. Hamilton should not have gone where Rosberg was already heading. Sticking your nose in someone else's way and demanding the space is quite ridiculous.

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Best F1 race I have ever seen :)
Dream come true!!!
The last laps [-o< [-o<
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So overtaking issue in F1 solved: get a potion of front wing inside the front drivers rear wheel and the corner is yours... he should now open the gap as to facilitate an easy pass. Why bother with DRS?
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DeanHP wrote:
I thought it was a racing incident at first with each driver equally at fault but after seeing further analysis, it's pretty clear why. And the rules say:

27.7 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

http://www.fia.com/regulations/regulati ... onship-110
and to further back this up.

2 quick phone shots.

Lewis with at least his wing next to Nico's tire, and space to spare.
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Lewis on the grass, because he was pushed off. What's interesting, is he is even further up nico's side, because he carried so much extra speed out of the turn.
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Chene_Mostert wrote:So overtaking issue in F1 solved: get a potion of front wing inside the front drivers rear wheel and the corner is yours... he should now open the gap as to facilitate an easy pass. Why bother with DRS?
That's the rule. Deal with it.

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Chene_Mostert wrote:So overtaking issue in F1 solved: get a potion of front wing inside the front drivers rear wheel and the corner is yours... he should now open the gap as to facilitate an easy pass. Why bother with DRS?
:wtf:

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ripper wrote:In my opinion ROS didn't give enough space to HAM and he has far more responsability for the crash.
Rosberg caused a crash? You must have watched a different race. Lewis went off track and hit Rosberg. A little lift or brake by Hamilton and none of this would have happened. He should have either waited for Rosberg to hit him, or hit the brakes. He did none, which leaves him at fault, not Rosberg.

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Not sure if this will add any value to the discussion or not.

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To my mind, this is a good comparison to make. Grosjean squeezed Hamilton out from a position where he most definitely should have been aware of Hamilton's car. He also made the move with a clearly evident car overlap, while he was drawing away from Hamilton.

Rosberg closed the door with less evidence of car overlap. At the time he committed to his movement, no overlap existed, but Hamilton was moving extremely rapidly into a decreasing space, having also committed really early to his attack. Note, there is even less space for Hamilton to move across in this case than in Belgium.

With nowhere to go, Lewis did make an attempt to back out, but it was too late.

All in all, extremely unforgiving driving from the pair of them, and just goes to show the dangers of making an assumption with no margin for error. Rosberg assumed his closing of the door would be enough to ward off the move, and Hamilton assumed Rosberg would be less aggressive in his defence.
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dans79 wrote:
DeanHP wrote:
I thought it was a racing incident at first with each driver equally at fault but after seeing further analysis, it's pretty clear why. And the rules say:

27.7 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

http://www.fia.com/regulations/regulati ... onship-110
and to further back this up.

2 quick phone shots.

Lewis with at least his wing next to Nico's tire, and space to spare.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... 3LkfD4.jpg

Yes wilts Lewis was busy loosing control on the AstroTurf, Nico was actually braking for the corner. No overtaking in that part of the track...

Lewis on the grass, because he was pushed off. What's interesting, is he is even further up nico's side, because he carried so much extra speed out of the turn.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... 6Hb3y3.jpg
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