2016 F1 Spanish Grand Prix

[dans79]

even a lift once on the grass would have resulted in a spin!

[jz11]

better question is if ROS was using the low power mode for the engine to manage traction easier from the standing start, I can hardly believe he would simply forget to switch it to the race mode...

[rscsr]

His engine went harvesting at the end of the corner. Therefore his rain light began to blink and he had a lot of less power. Therefore he changed it at that moment and tried to use his overtake button and went to cover the inside.
I think it is most likely that he just forgot to change it after the warm up lap.

[Sevach]

Don't know if it was posted already, but no penalties, racing accident is the veredict from the stewards.

[JonoNic]

it was already too late for that

Nonsense! Just a lift and coast would have slowed Hamilton enough at the speed they were travelling [aerodynamics]. This whole that Hamilton was left with no option is silly.

you mean like Kvyat being hard on brakes prevented him from running into the back of Vettel last time?

Kyat was too close to Vettel and his brakes locked up... sorry, what's your point? Hamilton was going for a gap that was closing. Either it's a racing incident or Hamilton could have avoided it

[JonoNic]

even a lift once on the grass would have resulted in a spin!

Why only lift once you are on the grass?

[WaikeCU]

"It was at that moment, both knew they f*cked up"

[jz11]

even a lift once on the grass would have resulted in a spin!

Why only lift once you are on the grass?

check the picture, I highlighted it for you

[Henk]

More from Ricciardo on having a win snatched from him:
"And [then] we went to three-stop strategy, we did [it] too late as well, Seb [had] already jumped us, so then not only I was required to pass Seb, I had to pass three cars when we know we are down on speed and it is a hard track to pass.
But, yeah, I don't understand why I was the one, normally the guy in the lead gets the better strategy, it didn't work out today."

Horner on why the strategy was given to Max... he obviously avoided the question:
"Having qualified in a good position and with Mercedes not being there, we had to cover Ferrari today.
"They probably had at least as quick - if not a quicker - car in clean air. But through the tactics we adopted, through the driving that Max [did] - he made not one mistake, the whole weekend, not just the grand prix."

He got the preferential strategy. If Vettel hadn't thrown a wrench in it he and Vettel would have been overtaking Kimi and Max with reasonably fresh softs against worn mediums. I do think Red Bull didn't react very well to the undercut. If you lose the position you have to extend as much as you can. Vettel would have been caught up in traffic and had to overtake Max. Ricciardo would have easily been able to close the gap from the undercut.

[JonoNic]

even a lift once on the grass would have resulted in a spin!

Why only lift once you are on the grass?

check the picture, I highlighted it for you

http://s32.postimg.org/r60khilbp/Capture.png

I see the irony haha. Although he didn't find the gap... did he?

[nokivasara]

Now that we had both mercs out the race was still pretty dull because of a track that's almost impossible to overtake on...

Wrong. It was great with lap after lap of will he/won't he. First Kimi on Max, then Dan on Seb. It's not about lots of overtaking, it's about chances to overtake. This thing about needing to see lots of overtaking is why the FIA/FOM keep messing with rules and making a mess of it.

Of course, the dicing between the Ferraris and RedBulls would still have happened if Mercedes were on track, it would just have been for third place.

Wrong? It's just my opinion
But yeah, the amount of overtakes is not what's more important but on this track it's just way too difficult. I believe this race has been won by the pole sitter in 13/15 races, it's just not a very good F1 race track IMHO. Not when cars that are clearly faster still cant get past, it's like 10 years ago during the Trulli train era...
Not taking away anything from Max, sure he was lucky with the Mercs DNF's and his strategy (it wasn't clear which strategy would be the fastest) but he still drove those 66 laps without mistakes and is now a race winner. The youngest ever!

[dans79]

even a lift once on the grass would have resulted in a spin!

Why only lift once you are on the grass?

Lewis did not have to do anything. As the photos posted earlier show, Lewis had overlap while he was still on track. He had right to space, but Nico continued to push him off.

2 rules apply to this situation.

Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason. For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Nico can claim he did no wrong under the first, but he for sure violated the second rule. The on board from Lewis's car is proof.

[iotar__]

About the strategy: Ricciardo is annoyed, "We just threw the win away today" http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricci ... quote]"And [then] we went to three-stop strategy, we did [it] too late as well, Seb [had] already jumped us, so then not only I was required to pass Seb, I had to pass three cars when we know we are down on speed and it is a hard track to pass.
"It didn't made sense,[/quote]That's what I thought and wrote earlier - overtaking even without Vettel and pace difference on longer stint. Hmm, feeling like not the chosen one at Red Bull? It happens . You may disregard previous bashing (this race), although I thought maybe they were forced to shorten the stints.

- To those who watched on Sky, was Brundle shouting about brilliant '16 spec "Ferrari donkey" vs asthmatic snail Renault every time Vettel/Raikkonen were behind Red Bulls? Wrong drivers and car doesn't overtake itself.
- How long does it take FIA to take Ham-Rosb grid penalty decision? It took them five seconds for Kvyat. Stalling = always fraud

[jz11]

Why only lift once you are on the grass?

check the picture, I highlighted it for you

http://s32.postimg.org/r60khilbp/Capture.png

I see the irony haha. Although e didn't find the gap... did he?

he did, ROS screwed around with engine settings while HAM was accelerating fast, and bare in mind - he knew - if he didn't take the chance, he wouldn't get past him later on, it just wouldn't happen, he gambled and lost

so he went for the gap that was there, but probably expected ROS to move faster and may went to the left instead, but since ROS was so hesitant, he just had to commit to that side of Rosbergs car, and we know the rest

racing incident, nothing more, if you would want more, you would be killing the chance of other drivers taking such risks in the future, and that would make the sport even more boring

[foxmulder_ms]

Overall, It is a racing incident, I think both were too aggressive. I mean look how sudden Rosberg is changing his direction after the slight corner covering Hamilton out of the race line which is OK but.. Hamilton either had to go on to grass or hit him on the side. May be he could brake hard but I am not even sure that would help. I give 51% of the blame to Rosberg.