2016 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team - Ferrari

[godlameroso]

Wing flutter actually stabilizes the wake reducing turbulence. Anyway, the car seems to have the race pace, it's faster than the Red Bulls for sure, it's almost as fast as Mercedes. The problem is qualifying, Vettel looked like he had the fastest car in the race. At least you can pass cars in Canada, so there's hope.

[Juzh]

Vettel looked like he had the fastest car in the race.

Bold statement.

[godlameroso]

Did you watch him catch up to Perez? He was clearly quicker than the Force India, just wasn't quick enough.

[F1NAC]

Vettel looked like he had the fastest car in the race.

Bold statement.

Given that he had the slowest tyre he wasn't that bad either. But in Canada Merc will be back few tenths comfortably ahead

[bhall II]

Wing flutter actually stabilizes the wake reducing turbulence.

Not necessarily in this context. The oscillation you see in the image is the result of the wingtips stalling repeatedly as they make contact with the circuit under load.

The contact cuts off the high-pressure component to the edge vortices that keep air flow attached to the suction surface of the wing, which then invokes a stall. Freed from the load, the wing flexes back to its normal position, and the process starts all over again.

Ferrari was trying to copy Red Bull's flexi-wing, but they never got it to work, presumably because they couldn't nail down a carbon fiber layup with the requisite anisotropic properties.

[Juzh]

Did you watch him catch up to Perez? He was clearly quicker than the Force India, just wasn't quick enough.

He was faster than perez a tiny bit. Is that what ferrari is about now? Overall I think Vettel's pace relative to the front runners is still unknown given the traffic problems he had all race.

Vettel looked like he had the fastest car in the race.

Bold statement.

Given that he had the slowest tyre he wasn't that bad either. But in Canada Merc will be back few tenths comfortably ahead

Debatable which tires were actually best to have in those conditions. Certainly isn't as clear cut as it is normally.

[giantfan10]

Im somewhat surprised by excuses everyone is searching for their poor performance in previus race and todays qualifying. Even Vettel is becoming a whiny character complaining on the radio...The fact of the matter is that their chasis is aparently somwhere 4th on the grid, behind RedBull, Mercedes and i think that STR too. Not to mention there is atleast 1 of their engines breaking down in their cars or cars of the customers in every weekend. I must say that im really really curious what kind of sorcery is being done in RedBull, that they are faster with so much weaker engine.

barcelona... impossible to pass along with ferrari screwup in qualifying..... Monaco a "red bull track" and they capitalised for the most part... before that ferrari was 9 tenths ahead in Australia(qualifying and 9 tenths ahead in bahrain before the driver mistakes in quali in china....
how does that translate to red bull being faster? come canada i suspect red bull will be right back in third fighting for scraps.
the 5 tenths red bull are claiming and the 9 tenths ferrari has in hand along with a coming turbo upgrade doesnt compute to red bull being faster but we shall see i suppose : )

[Vasconia]

Vettel looked like he had the fastest car in the race.

Bold statement.

Given that he had the slowest tyre he wasn't that bad either. But in Canada Merc will be back few tenths comfortably ahead

and Ferrari should the second team, with a good margin to RB. Williams and FI should be also strong. I think Vettel will have a good chance of returning to the podium and hopefully we will see the pure speed of the Italians.

Mercedes
Ferrari 0,3-0,5
Williams 0,9
RB 0,8-09

And the rest

FI
TR
McLaren

[godlameroso]

Canada has similar requirements to Monaco, except for the long straight, but getting a good exit from the hairpin is more important, and so is being able to ride the curbs, as is braking stability and traction. There are no high speed corners they're all low to medium speed.

[Samraj_official]

Im somewhat surprised by excuses everyone is searching for their poor performance in previus race and todays qualifying. Even Vettel is becoming a whiny character complaining on the radio...The fact of the matter is that their chasis is aparently somwhere 4th on the grid, behind RedBull, Mercedes and i think that STR too. Not to mention there is atleast 1 of their engines breaking down in their cars or cars of the customers in every weekend. I must say that im really really curious what kind of sorcery is being done in RedBull, that they are faster with so much weaker engine.

barcelona... impossible to pass along with ferrari screwup in qualifying..... Monaco a "red bull track" and they capitalised for the most part... before that ferrari was 9 tenths ahead in Australia(qualifying and 9 tenths ahead in bahrain before the driver mistakes in quali in china....
how does that translate to red bull being faster? come canada i suspect red bull will be right back in third fighting for scraps.
the 5 tenths red bull are claiming and the 9 tenths ferrari has in hand along with a coming turbo upgrade doesnt compute to red bull being faster but we shall see i suppose : )

As he said finding excuses always, just see how redbull have evolved from race 1, and what do you mean by redbull track??? Ferrari gets the most money above everyone else and has the engine seamlessly fitted into its chassis, either Ferrari has got poor engineers or they are totally mediocre at aero, a good car has the ability to fight anywhere everywhere except Mercedes W06 @ Singapore (which was really due to underestimation and improper understanding of setup like toto said)

The season isn't over yet,but i only see the RB threat looming bigger and bigger for 2nd Place, at present Ferrari are neither jack of all trades(aero,engine,traction) nor a master of one(RB specialises on aero)

To be fair they dont even understand their own car!!!!!!!!!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... fying-woes

[Vasconia]

Canada has similar requirements to Monaco, except for the long straight, but getting a good exit from the hairpin is more important, and so is being able to ride the curbs, as is braking stability and traction. There are no high speed corners they're all low to medium speed.

Yes, traction and braking stability are very important but you need a very powerful PU because the fast sections are majority on this track. For this reason I consider that Mercedes, Ferrari and all the Mercedes powered teams will be stronger on this track. While RB will not be as strong as in Monaco, TR will suffer a little bit and McLaren will suffer a lot, unless they bring a good update which works.

[Juzh]

AMUS on ferrari compared to mercedes:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 69884.html

Summary from reddit:

-Ferrari behind expectations

-still behind Mercedes and not better than Red Bull

-chassis a bigger issue than the engine

-Ferrari's package better than the results suggest

-Vettel says he would have won the 2015 title with the SF16-H

-over the winter Ferrari concentrated on the engine, which they believed was their largest deficit

-actually, their deficits in the chassis and tyre management were bigger

-Mercedes: "In terms of engine Ferrari were already close last last year. And still are."

-reliability issues a result of Ferrari taking risks to catch up; Canada upgrade should finally allow them to use the maximum power mode for longer

-Mercedes' improvement on the chassis side bigger problem for Ferrari than their own engine issues

-Mercedes tailored the aerodynamics of the car to suit the most common track profiles

-they should have the best car on 17/21 tracks; only on the two slowest tracks, the two fastest tracks, and wet conditions other teams might have quicker cars

-GPS measurements show that Mercedes are making up time on Ferrari mostly in slow and mid-speed corners; this is not just down to aerodynamics, but also their superior chassis (i.e. suspension)

-Mercedes still with the best chassis (i.e. suspension), which other teams still haven't been able to copy in every detail

-Mercedes took 4 years to perfect their system

-it allows them to run the car very low at the front and still comfortably take kerbs and bumps

-Ferrari also behind in terms of tyre management

-Mercedes can quickly get tyres up to temperature and still be good with tyre degradation

-their struggles in Monaco were an exception to the norm

-Mercedes among the teams capable of controlling tyre pressures at will

-it seems that the higher the mandatory tyre pressures, the larger the superiority of Mercedes

-Ferrari have now realised that they have to change focus away from the engine

-instead of more hp, they need more downforce, better tyre preparation, better tyre management, and less mistakes in qualifying

-Ferrari can't take advantage from their low tyre degradation, because Mercedes and Red Bull have improved in this area without sacrificing their ability to quickly switch on the tyres

-Ferrari bosses announced in Monaco that we'll see a different Ferrari in Canada

-the engine upgrade won't be enough, they have to improve their chassis as well

-in Canada we might finally see the large aero package, which has been expected since winter testing

-one team recently passed the FIA crash test with a shorter nose and many suspect this was Ferrari

[GPR-A duplicate2]

-Mercedes among the teams capable of controlling tyre pressures at will

-it seems that the higher the mandatory tyre pressures, the larger the superiority of Mercedes

Isn't this supposed to be Mercedes' biggest problem, as highlighted by many people here last year? Their strength was all about tyre pressures and once the clamp down came in Monza, from Singapore, they were supposed to fall of the grace.

All the points mentioned, clearly says that Ferrari is behind in every aspect of the car. There isn't one area of strength.

Does it really makes sense for Ferrari to continue developing the car? Wouldn't it be wise to simply take a bold decision and move on to next year? In 2012, Mercedes took a decision to stop developing the car and move on to next year and at the end of Season, I remember Brawn said, it doesn't matter if we finish 4th or 5th, because honestly it doesn't matter because that not where they want to be.

So what has Ferrari got to lose? A Second position? Is that what they targeted for this year? What will they gain out of spending money and effort for this year? Instead of facing embarrassment every year, it makes sense to take sh** at once, but go adventurous with next year and make sure you succeed.

It is simply clear that Mercedes is quite far ahead and even if Mercedes completely stops the development, they can simply continue to win the races.

[giantfan10]

So a german reporter claims the german team has it all figured out and the italian team doesnt... go figure
What happened to this mercedes mastery of their car in monaco? Rosberg being a moving roadblock is completely opposite to his claim....
Why didnt the best chassis qualify on pole in monaco and had to depend on a botched pitstop to win?
Thats a whole lot of hogwash from amus with his usual german slant to every article written by him
I see we are back to the standard nonsense about the ferrari engine being on par with mercedes so it must be the chassis or tire management....

[Vasconia]

So a german reporter claims the german team has it all figured out and the italian team doesnt... go figure
What happened to this mercedes mastery of their car in monaco? Rosberg being a moving roadblock is completely opposite to his claim....
Why didnt the best chassis qualify on pole in monaco and had to depend on a botched pitstop to win?
Thats a whole lot of hogwash from amus with his usual german slant to every article written by him
I see we are back to the standard nonsense about the ferrari engine being on par with mercedes so it must be the chassis or tire management....

Every year is the same, always the chasis... when is going Ferrari to build a truly good chasis?