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The Sauber F1 Team is pleased to announce that Pascal Wehrlein will complete the team’s driver line-up for the 2017 Formula One World Championship. He will race alongside Swede Marcus Ericsson who continues with the Swiss team.
Probably why Vettel was recently in the news saying he and Raikkonen have a great working relationship. He wants to keep Raikkonen. We shall see...efuloni wrote:Brazilian press says (a renowned reporter called Fabio Seixas) that Perez and Ferrari nogociations are in an "advanced stage". It also reports that Carlos Slim, the mexican Midas, believes that the failure at McLaren and the two and a half seasons in FI were enough to turn Checo into a "mature driver". Link, in portuguese: http://sportv.globo.com/site/blogs/espe ... can16.html
About Williams, I said last year and I repeat now that I'd like very much to see a Button-Massa pair. Two old nice guys going for one last ride. haha.
No. The big teams were right all along.flickerf1 wrote:Just a general question. Do you guys think Nico deserves a seat in a top team just as much as Checo?
Agreed.SectorOne wrote:No. The big teams were right all along.flickerf1 wrote:Just a general question. Do you guys think Nico deserves a seat in a top team just as much as Checo?
Perez you can actually see have grown immensely since his debut. In Hulkenberg i don´t see any of that.
Perez curve is pointing up, Hulks is a flat line as far as im concerned.
I think he does if we consider his entire career. But, in F1, you are as good as your last race, and I know that. So, now, Perez is doing much better. Probably because Hulk has a motivational issue. He seems sad.flickerf1 wrote:Just a general question. Do you guys think Nico deserves a seat in a top team just as much as Checo?
Yes, plus they're feeling the pain that the big teams choose for a few years now that they want two top drivers (plus the fact that there are 5 WC on the grid) and it's likely that if the current older generation decides to stop (button, Raikkonen, even Massa) they will be replaced by younger drivers from their programs. So, it's midfield teams for Hulk (and guys like Magnussen as well)flickerf1 wrote:Agreed.SectorOne wrote:No. The big teams were right all along.flickerf1 wrote:Just a general question. Do you guys think Nico deserves a seat in a top team just as much as Checo?
Perez you can actually see have grown immensely since his debut. In Hulkenberg i don´t see any of that.
Perez curve is pointing up, Hulks is a flat line as far as im concerned.
Yeah, but Nico still has yet to make it to the podium. IMO, he's squandered the chance to be on the podium and even win before (i.e. Brazil 2012).efuloni wrote:I think he does if we consider his entire career. But, in F1, you are as good as your last race, and I know that. So, now, Perez is doing much better. Probably because Hulk has a motivational issue. He seems sad.flickerf1 wrote:Just a general question. Do you guys think Nico deserves a seat in a top team just as much as Checo?
What I mean is that in the past years he did enough to deserve a top seat and didn't get it. Now his team-mate - who is also doing enough (but, IMHO, for a shorter period of time) - looks at the edge of getting a top seat while Hulk will remain forgotten, probably until the end of his career.
I know that the right call for any big team now is hiring Checo, but, looking at the big picture, it looks kinda unfair.
In saying that though, Ricciardo has even been linked to the second seat at Ferrari, obviously more so after the debacle at Monaco.dren wrote:Probably why Vettel was recently in the news saying he and Raikkonen have a great working relationship. He wants to keep Raikkonen. We shall see...efuloni wrote:Brazilian press says (a renowned reporter called Fabio Seixas) that Perez and Ferrari nogociations are in an "advanced stage". It also reports that Carlos Slim, the mexican Midas, believes that the failure at McLaren and the two and a half seasons in FI were enough to turn Checo into a "mature driver". Link, in portuguese: http://sportv.globo.com/site/blogs/espe ... can16.html
About Williams, I said last year and I repeat now that I'd like very much to see a Button-Massa pair. Two old nice guys going for one last ride. haha.
I think his Race pace consistency is rather poor this year. He tends to regular fade away from the fight at the front. I can't seem to recall him fighting for the win this year on shear pace alone. I know he is Ferrari's last world champion, so they will respect that, but I often wonder if they are giving him too much respect...Schuttelberg wrote:The problem with Raikkonen is not so much on a Sunday. Half his 'compounded bad luck' begins on Saturday. Passing in F1 is always a challenge unless there is a significant car advantage or tyre advantage and Kimi simply can't ring a lap out that puts him high enough on the grid to have a chance on Sunday. There is this constant 'no temperature in the tyres' reason, but the better drivers adapt to it and he simply doesn't adapt enough to justify one of the better seats in F1.Phil wrote:I think part of the problem with Kimi's race is that he got the bad end of the strategy twice. At the start, Rosberg cut back onto the track causing a bit of chaos. Thrn, on the first pit stop, both Vettel and Hamilton had already pulled a significant gap to the RedBulls in 3rd. Vettel pitted under the virtual safetycar but that phase ended as he was in. He still benefitted off it, just. Kimi did not.
Then, Vettel also had the advantage of running in clear air most of the race. The two Redbulls he caught, were both on old tires, so it was a straight forward pass, car on fresh tires vs car on old ones. Kimi never had that advantage, he was always racing against cars on pretty much identical tires.
Having said that, i do however agree that Ferrari will need change and Kimi doesnt cut it. He might have a lot of bad luck that is outside of his direct control, but i do think Ferrari needs two stellar drivers if they want to compete for championships.
efuloni wrote:I think he does if we consider his entire career. But, in F1, you are as good as your last race, and I know that. So, now, Perez is doing much better. Probably because Hulk has a motivational issue. He seems sad.flickerf1 wrote:Just a general question. Do you guys think Nico deserves a seat in a top team just as much as Checo?
What I mean is that in the past years he did enough to deserve a top seat and didn't get it. Now his team-mate - who is also doing enough (but, IMHO, for a shorter period of time) - looks at the edge of getting a top seat while Hulk will remain forgotten, probably until the end of his career.
I know that the right call for any big team now is hiring Checo, but, looking at the big picture, it looks kinda unfair.
While I mostly agree with you, he was in with a shout at Spain, Barcelona this year. The word you used is actually correct. Raikkonen's just found NO consistency in his second Ferrari stint. The only constant has probably been mediocrity!PlatinumZealot wrote:I think his Race pace consistency is rather poor this year. He tends to regular fade away from the fight at the front. I can't seem to recall him fighting for the win this year on shear pace alone. I know he is Ferrari's last world champion, so they will respect that, but I often wonder if they are giving him too much respect...Schuttelberg wrote:The problem with Raikkonen is not so much on a Sunday. Half his 'compounded bad luck' begins on Saturday. Passing in F1 is always a challenge unless there is a significant car advantage or tyre advantage and Kimi simply can't ring a lap out that puts him high enough on the grid to have a chance on Sunday. There is this constant 'no temperature in the tyres' reason, but the better drivers adapt to it and he simply doesn't adapt enough to justify one of the better seats in F1.Phil wrote:I think part of the problem with Kimi's race is that he got the bad end of the strategy twice. At the start, Rosberg cut back onto the track causing a bit of chaos. Thrn, on the first pit stop, both Vettel and Hamilton had already pulled a significant gap to the RedBulls in 3rd. Vettel pitted under the virtual safetycar but that phase ended as he was in. He still benefitted off it, just. Kimi did not.
Then, Vettel also had the advantage of running in clear air most of the race. The two Redbulls he caught, were both on old tires, so it was a straight forward pass, car on fresh tires vs car on old ones. Kimi never had that advantage, he was always racing against cars on pretty much identical tires.
Having said that, i do however agree that Ferrari will need change and Kimi doesnt cut it. He might have a lot of bad luck that is outside of his direct control, but i do think Ferrari needs two stellar drivers if they want to compete for championships.
Agreed that Kimi isn't the McLaren Kimi anymore that we loved. But looking at how well you need to perform, he does actually quite what's expected from him. Let's assume that he is the second driver in the Ferrari team, then what's expected from him is finish as close to his teammate as possible (on average, in the drivers championship). He did that last year, finished fourth one place behind Vettel and now they're split by RIC. So, in 2015 at least, with any other driver, there wouldn't be a better outcome.Schuttelberg wrote:While I mostly agree with you, he was in with a shout at Spain, Barcelona this year. The word you used is actually correct. Raikkonen's just found NO consistency in his second Ferrari stint. The only constant has probably been mediocrity!PlatinumZealot wrote:I think his Race pace consistency is rather poor this year. He tends to regular fade away from the fight at the front. I can't seem to recall him fighting for the win this year on shear pace alone. I know he is Ferrari's last world champion, so they will respect that, but I often wonder if they are giving him too much respect...Schuttelberg wrote:
The problem with Raikkonen is not so much on a Sunday. Half his 'compounded bad luck' begins on Saturday. Passing in F1 is always a challenge unless there is a significant car advantage or tyre advantage and Kimi simply can't ring a lap out that puts him high enough on the grid to have a chance on Sunday. There is this constant 'no temperature in the tyres' reason, but the better drivers adapt to it and he simply doesn't adapt enough to justify one of the better seats in F1.
How can you or I assume that? Raikkonen's salary is not that of a 'number 2' driver and it seems to me that you're suggesting that as long as he can be directly behind Vettel in the championship, it's fine? NO! Formula 1 has advanced a lot over the years. Ferrari needs two chargers, both capable of winning the WDC if one can't find form or rythm for various reasons and to collectively deliver a WCC! By saying that in 2015, no other driver would have mad a difference is actually saying 'If Ferrari can make a dominant car, Kimi can come 2nd.' I don't think that's what Ferrari need. At the moment, RBR have a better driver line up than Ferrari and if they can mix it with the Ferrari's like they have in the past few races, Ferrari will lose second in the WCC!Jolle wrote:Agreed that Kimi isn't the McLaren Kimi anymore that we loved. But looking at how well you need to perform, he does actually quite what's expected from him. Let's assume that he is the second driver in the Ferrari team, then what's expected from him is finish as close to his teammate as possible (on average, in the drivers championship). He did that last year, finished fourth one place behind Vettel and now they're split by RIC. So, in 2015 at least, with any other driver, there wouldn't be a better outcome.Schuttelberg wrote:While I mostly agree with you, he was in with a shout at Spain, Barcelona this year. The word you used is actually correct. Raikkonen's just found NO consistency in his second Ferrari stint. The only constant has probably been mediocrity!PlatinumZealot wrote:
I think his Race pace consistency is rather poor this year. He tends to regular fade away from the fight at the front. I can't seem to recall him fighting for the win this year on shear pace alone. I know he is Ferrari's last world champion, so they will respect that, but I often wonder if they are giving him too much respect...
So, no need to replace Kimi just yet.