2016 European Grand Prix - Baku City Circuit, Fri 17 – Sun 19 Jun

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Re: 2016 European Grand Prix - Baku City Circuit, Fri 17 – Sun 19 Jun

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I didn't think the race was all that exciting (actually dozed off a couple of times), but I do like the track and scenery, and wouldn't mind seeing it stay on the calendar (although calling this Europe is stretching it).

Bravo Checo! Hulkenberg must be scratching his head by now.

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Phil
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dans79 wrote:For sure he could have gotten 4th without the issue, but no way was he ever going to get past Checo on track. I watched talemetry all race, and Checo was routinely the fastest guy through sector 2. Before the issue, Lewis would gain time in sector 1 & 3, only to have Checo pull it back out again in 2.
I thought he was rather close a couple of times and you'd only need one clean go on that long straight. Also if you're closer, you might be able to put more pressure on your opponent (which Perez didnt have after Ham dropped back).

Anyway, i am just annoyed that once again, a technical issue or glitch ended up intefereing with a clean race. And what should have been an exciting chaotic race, ended up being rather boring.

Ps: Eddie just said on Channel 4 that Hamilton started with the "problem", while Rosberg initiated it himself and was thus able to change it back.
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Just_a_fan wrote:Rosberg didn't look as happy as Vettel in the warm-down room. Odd. Indeed he looks subdued generally.
That's probably because Rosberg got bored out of his mind. Like most people watching this race.

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Felipe 92 wrote:Ham set his fastest time in Q2 on that tyres with "an unsafe car". Driving "unsafe car" at racing speed in qualifying is OK, but driving it in race is a safety issue!?
I was unaware that the FIA had checked his tyres during Q2 as they did after Quali finished. Perhaps you could link their report from that Q2 check?
Felipe 92 wrote: Ham has flat spotted tyre which was good enough to get him through to Q3, Raikkonen had his front wing stuck underneath a car while the track was still wet, it`s not the same thing. #-o
Unfortunately, the people with the actual information and the responsibility for defining the situation think that it is the same thing.
basti313 wrote:He could just go the usual way and start from the pits if it is that unsafe.
So everyone who makes a change in parc ferme due to safety has to start from the pits?
basti313 wrote:He was able to do two further laps and a great time in Q2 on this "unsafe" set of tires, so I see absolutely no reason for the change.
His ‘great time’ was a second down on his team mate and, whilst you may see no reason for the change, I’m not sure how much time you were able to spend with Hamilton’s tyres overnight to carry out your investigation. Perhaps you could enlighten us?

As a reminder, I don't recall Ricciardo having to start from the pit lane in Montreal? I can't find the Parc ferme report but he commented post-quali that Red Bull thought he had damaged his suspension on his flying lap and that "I’m sure the FIA will let us change parts if we need to if they look a bit worse for wear." I'm sure there were various outraged posts from people complaining that he wouldn't take additional penalties, start from the pitlane and that his Quali lap was unsafe, no?

As for the race, great drive from Rosberg, just untouchable. He’ll have been saving wear on all his components too. It’ll also be good for his confidence as it should reassert him as the fastest Merc driver this year. If he wins Austria I think this year is his to lose.

Great race for Perez too. He’s really refined his style over the past two years and I think he’s right up there at the moment. I just hope Force India can keep giving him a competitive package. Ideally, I'd like to see him in a Red Bull but, with those seats locked in (as much as they can be for Red Bull), it'd be great to see him in a Ferrari next year. It'd be a shame for FI to lose him though.

Good to see the driver being able to help dictate strategy for Ferrari too. Vettel made an excellent call and the pit wall backed him. It won't always be the case (given where the balance of information sit) but it's a positive sign for Ferrari.

I’ll be interested to find out what has happened to Red Bull and whether their tyre issues will continue to plague them going forward. Also disappointed in Gutierrez. There's only so often you can blame the car when you keep making mistakes like T1, lap one.

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LionKing wrote:
wickedz50 wrote:Ferrari strategy of a 2 stop screwed Kimi...almost did Vettel who chose not to do 2 stop
When will they learn
When did Kimi stop for the 2nd time? Kimi finished as high he could in this race.
He didn't, but they stopped him too early with the intention of 2-stopping, then converted back to a one stop when they saw degradation was low. This resulted in a compromised strategy, even though I don't think it mattered much.

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According to me they should ban all radio and remote connection between cars and box (radio, telemetry and so on).
Then the pilot has to manage the car and the engineers have to create a steering wheel with the data and commands needed by the pilot to manage the car.

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"One thing for sure, these drivers they moan so much about so many damn things, ... but I’ll just sit there and smile. And there was a little shoulder shrug, as if he was asking the other drivers: “What’s all the fuss about?”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... s-hamilton

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Phil wrote: Ps: Eddie just said on Channel 4 that Hamilton started with the "problem", while Rosberg initiated it himself and was thus able to change it back.
For the love of god, these technical problems are ridiculous.
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dans79 wrote:
Phil wrote: Ps: Eddie just said on Channel 4 that Hamilton started with the "problem", while Rosberg initiated it himself and was thus able to change it back.
For the love of god, these technical problems are ridiculous.
Of course by "technical problem", what they mean is a setting which is not ideal for the current situation. The whole point of having those settings is to be able to adjust the car by the driver. What do they expect from the car an AI?
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- Perez - simply brilliant pace, nice statement overtake on the last lap, pity he got a penalty,
- Raikkonen - perfect record of messing up every single race apart from Australia, this time a penalty,
- Hamilton was lucky it was a track where Red Bulls were slow. What happened to their race pace? Tyre pressure transitional period :? ? It's easier to manage it on one lap so they are OK in Q. I don't know of course, maybe just the tracks. Gap still rather big.
- pure racer Hamilton doesn't like radio ban, didn't mind it when it affected others like Rosberg last race with fuel
- Ferrari fairly quick, must be all those slow corners. Why would they be quick in China and Canada and not here?

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matt_b wrote:Toto's classic there were problems on both cars catchphrase #-o
lmao :lol:

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oT v1 wrote:I dont understand the times for this race (and not just because i have to go to work at 3pm UK time). Its even later than most western european races, despite locally being on Moscow time.....
Perhaps the start was one hour later than normal to avoid overlap with Le Mans.

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So they told him pretty clear what to do...

By the way: I can not see the laptime drop due to the "problem". In Livetiming I can not find a lap with dropped speed trap figures. All I can see is a drop in laptimes maybe 10 laps after the first call for help. If I see it correctly Ham dropped to 3sec gap when he could not overtake and then the gap to Perez was stable +-5laps round the first call for help.
Don`t russel the hamster!

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iotar__ wrote: - Ferrari fairly quick, must be all those slow corners. Why would they be quick in China and Canada and not here?
Indeed. This race together with some other tracks with similar traits (Few to no fast corners, lots of 90 deg slow turns and long straits) give us a better idea of the contribution of raw power vs. traction vs DF and L/D.
From this it is clear that Merc still has a clear grunt advantage. (FI and to some extent Williams were difficult to impossible to overtake unless driver f*cked up or tyres were completely gone).

Ferrari engine seems to be still clearly behind albeit not nearly as bad as Renault or even Honda.
Seeing among others the Monaco performance Ferrari also seems to have a certain traction deficit vs. Merc.
Regarding L/D (Aerodynamic efficiency) RBR seems to be the class of the field. Probably better than Merc (Canada performance vs. Baku). Ferrari appears to be a bit behind Merc but not dramatically.

So my personal picture gets a bit clearer thanks to a totally different track (I like it although the race as such was rather boring).
- L/D: RBR>Merc>Ferrari>>The Rest
- PU performance: : Merc>FI/Williams/Manor>Ferrari>>Renault>Honda
- Traction: Merc>RBR>Ferrari>The Rest
- Suspension: Merc>RBR/Ferrari>The Rest