Aston Martin wants hyper-car to be faster than F1 cars

[krisfx]

I'm not too sure on the legality of the rear lamps, personally.

[krisfx]

True, some nice laser headlights would be cool!

Maybe we'll get some special LMP1 spec headlights but I bet it'll probably end up looking like this

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/zOXvZj ... T_42.0.jpg

I think that's a pretty safe bet.

I wouldn't expect the DRL to look the same but maybe the other components will be carry over. I suppose we'll see when they eventually style them

[FoxHound]

The design is now fixed bar a few details and it is due to run, according to Dave King, Aston’s vice-president and special operations manager, who is charged with building it, at the end of next year, with the first customer deliveries in 2019.

So the car is only going to have it's first run at the end of next year.....2017. With Deliveries almost 2 years later....hmmmm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/as ... -the-hype/


Where SR71 at?

[SR71]

The design is now fixed bar a few details and it is due to run, according to Dave King, Aston’s vice-president and special operations manager, who is charged with building it, at the end of next year, with the first customer deliveries in 2019.

So the car is only going to have it's first run at the end of next year.....2017. With Deliveries almost 2 years later....hmmmm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/as ... -the-hype/


Where SR71 at?

You said it yourself. Design is fixed. That means the program is at least a year old, thanks for making my point even more clear.

Cars like this exist in computers years before a public showing. What's so hard to understand about that?

Another forum member recently quoted Horner saying the program is 18 months old.

Prototype fabrication can take 6-8months for a rough build and as more and more parts are refined they won't have something running that represents final build until, wait for it, like you said "the end of next year."

Some of the car at that point will be made of parts from actual vendors who are perfecting manufActuring processes for production parts AND some of the parts at that point will still be prototype parts made in a facility owned/contracted by AM/RB or a future vendor. Once all parts pass engineering and performance/reliability tests they will then transition to the manufacturing phase. This leads us to the 2018 delivery date.

This is actually a fast process since these cars will be low volume.

but let's cut to the chase. You think the program started in mid-March 2016, because that's when the press release happened. Confirm or deny?

[SR71]

My guess, like others have said, is that this program is roughtly 1-1.5 years old. We had a hint at the program when the AM/RB rumors started last year in Monza I believe.

The program with AM is running for 18 month now, according to Horner.

Makes sense. Do you have a source?

Thanks,
SR71

[Fulcrum]

The design is now fixed bar a few details and it is due to run, according to Dave King, Aston’s vice-president and special operations manager, who is charged with building it, at the end of next year, with the first customer deliveries in 2019.

So the car is only going to have it's first run at the end of next year.....2017. With Deliveries almost 2 years later....hmmmm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/as ... -the-hype/


Where SR71 at?

To me, that statement doesn't really compute. "The design is now fixed bar a few details," but only due to run at the end of next year?

Either the "few details" are extremely important or that statement is slightly disingenuous. Sounds like they know what they want to achieve in theory, but have not found practical ways of implementing them.

Which leaves me with the same impression I had before, and has already been confirmed with their reduced lap-time targets; say one thing, eventually do another, but sell a great story along the way.

[ChrisDanger]

My guess, like others have said, is that this program is roughtly 1-1.5 years old. We had a hint at the program when the AM/RB rumors started last year in Monza I believe.

The program with AM is running for 18 month now, according to Horner.

Makes sense. Do you have a source?

Thanks,
SR71

From FoxHound's article, just above:

It was a January evening in 2015 when the men behind Aston Martin's first ever mid-engined road car, the AM-RB 001, met in a gastropub and turned a pipe dream into a real-life project unveiled this week.

"It was over sausage and mash," says Aston Martin boss Andy Palmer. "Up to then it had been a collection of ideas and thoughts."

[FoxHound]

but let's cut to the chase. You think the program started in mid-March 2016, because that's when the press release happened. Confirm or deny?

You going to hold me on a technicality, when the car is going to run until late 2017 at the earliest?


That's just laughable. I've entertained you wayyyyyy more than I should, it's good sport! But now the facts have come out, and with you bleating that a running prototype would be present at Goodwood , it appears your assessments are overestimated and you are just resorting to nit-picking to validate your falsehoods.

The facts.

The car does not have a finalised engine(other than.....V12! )
The car has not run at all, and will not run until late 2017!
All we have is a design concept.

This all ties in with my own and other assessments that this car is still in utero, and will remain so for a fairly long gestation period.

I don't wanna beat down on you too badly, cos I admire your optimism. I dislike your BS though.
I mean, I went to goodwood half expecting this thing on your say so, in spite of my better judgement. I did get to hear a gorgeous BMW straight six, a Pagani Zonda(read....real hypercar), a Rosberg burnout, and Brundle in a Brawn.

There were no unicorns from AM-RB though, in spite of when a press release intimates to when a car was put into development.

[FW17]

when they said v12, i am sure they meant this

[DiogoBrand]

Electronic suspension like the Williams F14 maybe?

I'm not sure how the FW14 handled bumps, and I guess none of us know how it would handle a public road, but it was able to keep the car at the exact same height despite road irregularities and weight transfer, and more than 20 years has past since then.
McLaren(maybe others as well, but I don't know about them) makes road cars without physical anti-roll bars just by using clever suspension.
So I'm guessing this car will have some state-of-the-art suspension that's able to handle a public road and keep the car at the optimal heights at all times, not to mention featuring several modes.

And for the people that at the beggining of the thread disagreed with me, saying that active suspension wouldn't be a big part of the car, and that it wouldn't have wings, I guess you were wrong. And for the people that said it would feature a big fan at the back... really?!

The wings are pretty minuscule, I think flow conditioners for the "main wing" ( the underbody ) is a more appropriate term...

But yes, it does have some small wings.

You're probably the first one to call that front wing "small".

[gandharva]

Makes sense. Do you have a source?

Sure.

"Wir arbeiten jetzt seit 18 Monaten mit Aston Martin zusammen, und der RB12 ist das erste Auto, das im Zeitraum dieser Arbeitsweise entstanden ist. Und es handelt sich offensichtlich um eine ziemlich erfolgreiches Auto."

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 70602.html

[DiogoBrand]

Who cares when the project started? The thing is, there's people that defended with their lives the statement that this car would be faster than a Formula One car, even though they didn't have any proof or knowledge to say it apart from their faith on the magician Adrian Newey, and now they start knitpicking on other people's possible wrong statements to "justify one mistake with another".
Can we get back to the technical bit of the technical forum now?

[No Lotus]

Early 2019 estimated first deliveries according to the man in charge of getting it into production. Around minute 22 in the video.
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1mrGmzEqOqWJy

[turbof1]

Can we please move on from when the project started or not? Whether or not this proves it's nothing more then a concept is kind of ramming the topic in the wall. Yes, they surely will not have showed everything, and at the same time the 'concept' showed more then enough to have an idea what they are aiming for.

Maybe we can focus on what is being shown and what they are possibly not showing? Like...

So given the size of the car, what kind of V12 would be put into it? Aston Martin has used V12's before, for instance the AM V12 Zagato. That thing put out around 510bhp. Use of more exotic materials could pump up the number though.

[No Lotus]

Can we please move on from when the project started or not? Whether or not this proves it's nothing more then a concept is kind of ramming the topic in the wall. Yes, they surely will not have showed everything, and at the same time the 'concept' showed more then enough to have an idea what they are aiming for.

Maybe we can focus on what is being shown and what they are possibly not showing? Like...

So given the size of the car, what kind of V12 would be put into it? Aston Martin has used V12's before, for instance the AM V12 Zagato. That thing put out around 510bhp. Use of more exotic materials could pump up the number though.

Didn't they just say 5.2 L, NA, but somehow nothing related to their current 5.2 L?

I guess it has to be very high revving to get to their power requirements. Won't that require a lot of cooling? There's no front radiator, though, and no visible cooling vents anywhere. I've been a believer in Newey and this car, but I don't see how this thing is going to work as presented.