Will Brexit have an impact on F1?

[krisfx]

Well, you (as in America) have a very similar fight at the moment, fraught with the same rhetoric and personalities involved.

If I was British I would have voted to leave. For years now I have heard and read how EU law where slowly strangling small businesses to death.

The EU directive on human rights & fair working also protects British people from 93812561872458971345 hour weeks (slight exaggeration), so I can't see the incentive for out voters, other than being openly racist & xenophobic.

[Jolle]

Well, you (as in America) have a very similar fight at the moment, fraught with the same rhetoric and personalities involved.

If I was British I would have voted to leave. For years now I have heard and read how EU law where slowly strangling small businesses to death.

The EU directive on human rights & fair working also protects British people from 93812561872458971345 hour weeks (slight exaggeration), so I can't see the incentive for out voters, other than being openly racist & xenophobic.

So, not 50 million pounds a week is going to save the NHS, but the return of 80 hour work weeks for junior doctors will! (Aren't they on strike at the moment?)

[krisfx]

If I was British I would have voted to leave. For years now I have heard and read how EU law where slowly strangling small businesses to death.

The EU directive on human rights & fair working also protects British people from 93812561872458971345 hour weeks (slight exaggeration), so I can't see the incentive for out voters, other than being openly racist & xenophobic.

So, not 50 million pounds a week is going to save the NHS, but the return of 80 hour work weeks for junior doctors will! (Aren't they on strike at the moment?)

It's on and off, because the Conservatives are absolutely horrific people.

[dans79]

It's on and off, because the Conservatives are absolutely horrific people.

As if liberals are in any way better.

[Ennis]

It's on and off, because the Conservatives are absolutely horrific people.

As if liberals are in any way better.

Not sure if confusing US 'Conservative' meaning, with the UK party "The Conservatives"...

[Jolle]

It's on and off, because the Conservatives are absolutely horrific people.

As if liberals are in any way better.

Because of the different democratic systems in Europe, with a balancing factor within the cabinet instead of definding them between the president and congress , most countries have a center-conservative gouverment, with opposition on either side of the spectrum. The interesting thing, is that our center-conservatism is very compatible with Bernie Saunders and his position (and that's why most of Europe "gets" him).

[henry]

Worse still, the implications on GDP are a loss of 6.3% or £4.5k per household.
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit02.pdf

I don't disagree with your overall analysis but the figures you quote here are typical of the inept arguments used by the remain campaign.

You can't take gdb and divide it by number of households and get anything useful. If you do that and say it to people for whom it would represent a quarter to a fifth of their income they rightly call bulls--- and go on to draw the conclusion that everything from that camp is of the same quality.

The economy came near the bottom of the factors of which leavers took notice.

Today we had a report on the Iraq war which concludes that going to war when we did was a very ill considered decision. In 10 years time we can look forward to the same conclusion in a report on the decision to offer an ill prepared public a referendum on an incredibly complex social and economic matter. Too late for the millions of ordinary citizens who will be adversely affected.

[FoxHound]

Worse still, the implications on GDP are a loss of 6.3% or £4.5k per household.
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit02.pdf

You can't take gdb and divide it by number of households and get anything useful.

Fair enough, but it came from a neutral source as far I'm aware. How the numbers are "div'ied" up cannot hide for the loss of GDP.

The economy came near the bottom of the factors of which leavers took notice.

Today we had a report on the Iraq war which concludes that going to war when we did was a very ill considered decision. In 10 years time we can look forward to the same conclusion in a report on the decision to offer an ill prepared public a referendum on an incredibly complex social and economic matter. Too late for the millions of ordinary citizens who will be adversely affected.

Noted and agreed.

But I think the mess that is going to ensue will make it a short term next government. Within 5 years of leaving, I'd bet on us wanting to get back in again.
And politicians will get the blame for this, all politicians. When the reality is, unless you are directly affected by Britain being in the EU, remaining was always the more prudent and rational choice.

I read that pro-Europe labour have seen a swell in memberships since Brexit. If they offer a new referendum on Europe as one of their election manifestos, expect a landslide win and a referendum.
Preferably without Clueless Comrade Corbyn.

[dans79]

The interesting thing, is that our center-conservatism is very compatible with Bernie Saunders and his position (and that's why most of Europe "gets" him).

I don't want to offend, but this is why I could never live in Europe, Bernie is a self proclaimed "Democratic socialist".

[Jolle]

The interesting thing, is that our center-conservatism is very compatible with Bernie Saunders and his position (and that's why most of Europe "gets" him).

I don't want to offend, but this is why I could never live in Europe, Bernie is a self proclaimed "Democratic socialist".

It's far from offensive, makes me just more grateful that I'm living in Europe, in the US I would never had the same opportunities that I have now.

[Andres125sx]

If you're so worried and not able to understand the system, please be angry about Carney who gave 150 billion pounds to the banks this morning, after last week 250 billion and imagine how many people you could help with that.

Nah, that´s normal capitalism, but if you want to use 1/1000th of that to help people who was forced to run away from war with his family and the only possessions they can carry theirselves, it´s a scandal


Sometimes I feel sick because of human nature, and please don´t take me wrong, I´m in favour of capitalism, but there´s a limit for everything, even for money concerns. And that´s without considering Jolle´s interesting posts, but IMHO even if it´s an engine burning fuel/money, saving lifes is well worth the expense. And as Jolle exposed it´s not an engine burning fuel/money, so...


Our ´money first´ mentality imposed by capitalism is good from a general point of view, but there are exceptional scenarios where IMHO there should be different priorities.

If children lifes are NOT more important for us than money (almost half refugees are children), then please let me know where must I sign in to renounce to my human condition

[FoxHound]

If you're so worried and not able to understand the system, please be angry about Carney who gave 150 billion pounds to the banks this morning, after last week 250 billion and imagine how many people you could help with that.

Nah, that´s normal capitalism, but if you want to use 1/1000th of that to help people who was forced to run away from war with his family and the only possessions they can carry theirselves, it´s a scandal


Sometimes I feel sick because of human nature, and please don´t take me wrong, I´m in favour of capitalism, but there´s a limit for everything, even for money concerns. And that´s without considering Jolle´s interesting posts, but IMHO even if it´s an engine burning fuel/money, saving lifes is well worth the expense. And as Jolle exposed it´s not an engine burning fuel/money, so...


Our ´money first´ mentality imposed by capitalism is good from a general point of view, but there are exceptional scenarios where IMHO there should be different priorities.

If children lifes are NOT more important for us than money (almost half refugees are children), then please let me know where must I sign in to renounce to my human condition

Lets not point the finger too much at Capitlism, Andres.

Where in all this are the super cash rich nations of Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi etc? My geography aint brilliant, but Germany is way further than Saudi Arabia, and you don't need to cross a treacherous Med to get there.

[Andres125sx]

Sorry FoxHound, but can´t get your point.

My reply was related to the Brexit debate, as those aiming for "leave" used the immigrants and refugees economical cost as an argument. Last time I checked UK is capitalist, and I think that´s the motivation for that argument, capitalism tend to oversimplify things to numbers. Obviously there are many countries with much bigger problems, but we´re not talking about those, but about UK and Brexit

[FoxHound]

Sorry FoxHound, but can´t get your point.

My reply was related to the Brexit debate, as those aiming for "leave" used the immigrants and refugees economical cost as an argument. Last time I checked UK is capitalist, and I think that´s the motivation for that argument, capitalism tend to oversimplify things to numbers. Obviously there are many countries with much bigger problems, but we´re not talking about those, but about UK and Brexit

From your own post, you appear to be apportioning the actions of capitalism as an example of inhumanity toward the ongoing refugee crisis. Money is worth the expense. And I agree.
To a finer point, Money don't cut it when Mr Smith is unhappy with the amount of non-english speaking residents in his town. You have to accept it's his town, his country, his vote.
But, the machinations of what is going on transcend capitalism. We have rich Muslim countries within a few hundred miles of refugee hotspot sources, with nothing but a trickle-feed heading toward them.
That pisses me off as much as Mr Smith. I've seen the videos of spoilt Saudi princes burning up LA in LaFerrari's, and to an extent, Mr Smith is aware of the excess we see from these countries, and all too aware of the money he pays towards that excess.

The middle east is humanities responsibility I agree, but why is Europe more responsible than closer, culturally identical Saud, Oman, Kuwait et al?

[dans79]

The middle east is humanities responsibility I agree, but why is Europe more responsible than closer, culturally identical Saud, Oman, Kuwait et al?

How is it humanities responsibility?