2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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giantfan10 wrote:
Nathanael F1 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote: If you use Catalunya as your benchmark then Ferrari will be ahead of Red bull..
Contrary to catalunya you can actually overtake at the britishGP and since Ferrari was the quicker car in spain in the race... you get my point : )
Red bulls only chance is Ferrari botching race strategy .
RB have another 4 tenths on their power unit since Spain
If it's a wet session I reckon RB would be the car to be in at Silverstone

Ferrari I'm not sure, although I'm sure I've read previously so they like fast corners
I have some hope for an exciting weekend at the front of the race

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iotar__ wrote:
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GPR-A wrote:Which is not surprising. Most drivers on the grid are better racers in wet than Rosberg.
Not surprising you are wrong and cannot back up your theories, mindlessly attacking drivers which is accepted and common behaviour here as long as targets are right. Your level of F1 knowledge makes you suitable candidate for Sky commentator.

- Silverstone and USA '15 he was considerably quicker than Hamilton, slower in Monaco and Suzuka, Malaysia Q '10 very quick - the only other I could remember, Rosberg has been good in the wet AFAIR. Brazil was not the only good wet race for Massa when he was quicker than Hamilton, he was similarly bad/quick/off track in Monaco '08 but didn't crash at the right time
- Myth of Hamilton's wet conditions brilliance brought up every time there's a chance of rain based mostly on one Silverstone race is getting annoying. There is a dozen examples to the contrary. Four mentioned, spinfest in China '09 (the only occasion not in the best cars which helps), China '07 gravel, crash vs Button in Canada, crane :) in Germany, lost Australia '10, find yourself the rest.
Spoutnik wrote:Rosberg has always been one of the worst driver under wet condition, even in qualifying (Malaysia 15) Vettel with less downforce outperformed him. He's been outperformed by Hamilton in qualy under rain in Australia, China 2014. We will not even talk about the rape of Hamilton against him in Suzuka 2014 in 1v1 race. About Silverstone 2015 we all now Hamilton was so slow because of tires freeze due to his brake balance
No and no:
- in four wet races between them Rosberg was twice considerably quicker (USA, GB) and twice Hamilton (Monaco Suzuka). That's a fact and no, the latter wasn't "rape" if you can count (and care I don't) speed difference in USA and GB was bigger
- I've never heard of "brake balance" excuse. What kind of reason is that anyway? Change it. Always some BS excuse No, It was a matter of tyres, conditions and drivers dealing with. Roberg was dealing with it 1-2 s quicker per lap. Problem disappeared after pitstop (change of tyres) and Rosberg ending ~8-10 s behind.
- Tue LH was couple of time quicker in wet Q early '14 but I (and I think Rosberg) will it take because it makes his dry Q advantage even more visible
- Before '14 one Q vs Q is hardly a case that justifies stupid statements like that , impossible to compare cars anyway
Silverstone yes Rosberg gaining 3second per lap on Lewis and that's without issue for Lewis ? Stop this bullshit. I t was not rain but changing condition
I've heard brake issue for Rosberg in Monaco, the outcome is he couldn't heat the tires. And you can see on the onboard of the race that Lewis is on freezing tires and Rosberg well heat tires.
It's a rape when you fight for the Championship in one of the last race and your opponent past you on the outside under the rain and he's on another rythm.
He was always quicker under rain conditions in 2014, only in Spa he made a little mistake through the sector 2 and Rosberg grab the pole by a small margin.
That's your point, compare with other car.. I'm not doing that

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SamH123 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
Nathanael F1 wrote:
RB have another 4 tenths on their power unit since Spain
If it's a wet session I reckon RB would be the car to be in at Silverstone

Ferrari I'm not sure, although I'm sure I've read previously so they like fast corners
I have some hope for an exciting weekend at the front of the race
Ferrari have 4 tenths since canada and new fuel and i tokens worth of engine upgrades since Austria. Based on last year Williams may well crash the party.
My guess is Mercedes...Ferrari ............Red bull/Williams

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... deterrents
Mercedes let them race, what a relief. I hope their fight will be as exciting and sportsmanlike as in Monaco. They owe Rosberg two free passes when he's behind, second for Hungary '14.

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iotar__ wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... deterrents
Mercedes let them race, what a relief. I hope their fight will be as exciting and sportsmanlike as in Monaco. They owe Rosberg two free passes when he's behind, second for Hungary '14.
Well even as a man who much prefers Rosberg, I have to admit he got one free pass early in the race at Austria, and I even have to admit Hamilton didn't cause their wreck in Austria, though I still believe the Barcelona wreck was just pretty bone headed from Hamilton, as regardless of speed differential Hamilton wouldn't have .adequate the pass anyways.
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ChrisDanger wrote:
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giantfan10 wrote:
SamH123 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
Ferrari have 4 tenths since canada and new fuel and i tokens worth of engine upgrades since Austria. Based on last year Williams may well crash the party.
My guess is Mercedes...Ferrari ............Red bull/Williams
I don't think Williams will do a whole lot at Silverstone. Their 2014-16 "low drag but unfortunately even lower in downforce"(I like the name I gave it) chassis and aero concept is now past its sell by date, and even the Merc PU can't just completely carry them anymore
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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Pierce89 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
SamH123 wrote:
Ferrari have 4 tenths since canada and new fuel and i tokens worth of engine upgrades since Austria. Based on last year Williams may well crash the party.
My guess is Mercedes...Ferrari ............Red bull/Williams
I don't think Williams will do a whole lot at Silverstone. Their 2014-16 "low drag but unfortunately even lower in downforce"(I like the name I gave it) chassis and aero concept is now past its sell by date, and even the Merc PU can't just completely carry them anymore
They qualified third and fourth last year and led quite a bit of the grand prix.... same formula as last year even though i have to admit they were competitive in Austria last year and this year they were also rans....Williams in my opinion is the biggest disapointment this year ... they sure were blowing a lot of hot air during preseason testing about being faster than Ferrari.

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giantfan10 wrote:
Pierce89 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
I don't think Williams will do a whole lot at Silverstone. Their 2014-16 "low drag but unfortunately even lower in downforce"(I like the name I gave it) chassis and aero concept is now past its sell by date, and even the Merc PU can't just completely carry them anymore
They qualified third and fourth last year and led quite a bit of the grand prix.... same formula as last year even though i have to admit they were competitive in Austria last year and this year they were also rans....Williams in my opinion is the biggest disapointment this year ... they sure were blowing a lot of hot air during preseason testing about being faster than Ferrari.
Well Silverstone is still a track with a pretty high power sensitivity, so maybe they'll surprise me, but I unfortunately believe that their main problem is that the other PUS are closer to the Merc than before. I guess really I'm just regurgitating that I think their whole concept of letting the Merc engine carry a mediocre but very low drag has just passed it's sell by date. It's also the reason why Force India started pushing so much harder on downforce than before also. The PUs have closed up enough that we've finally gotten out of what seemed to be an almost entirely engine dictated formula, into a more traditional balance.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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iotar__ wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... deterrents
Mercedes let them race, what a relief. I hope their fight will be as exciting and sportsmanlike as in Monaco. They owe Rosberg two free passes when he's behind, second for Hungary '14.
Probably only get a free pass when your behind your team mate and much faster and not in positions 1 & 2,
Nico is often behind his team mate, but cant remember the last time he was much faster lol.
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ChrisDanger wrote:http://i.imgur.com/fKaDTfl.jpg
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Such a different story from last year. Funny how quick it goes.

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I think this chart is wrong. Daniel Ricciardo has only used 2 engines. He just got the new spec engine 1 race early is all.

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carisi2k wrote:I think this chart is wrong. Daniel Ricciardo has only used 2 engines. He just got the new spec engine 1 race early is all.
So he's on engine 3 then?