2016 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team - Ferrari

[Fulcrum]

I'd suggest that, while Ferrari are not meaningfully closer to affecting a change in outcome when racing Mercedes directly, the car has improved as evidenced by the results.

To my mind analysing Raikkonen's performance is a good proxy of Ferrari's performance as he appears more sensitive to poor car dynamics.



This graph illustrates the 7-term Moving Average points per race of Raikkonen and co-driver since the beginning of 2014. The number of terms was selected to provide some degree of smoothing without complete reduction of the data.

The trend of Raikkonen is unmistakably upward during this period. 2014 averaged to 8/9th place per race, 2015 averaged to 6/7th place, and this year the average is 5th place. These averages include DNFs etc...

His results suggest the car is getting better to drive.

[Vasconia]

Very interesting post Fulcrum, +1 for you.


That could be, perhaps the car is getting more driveable. Anyway, it worrying to see the "involution" of the team through the season. From being the second team and not that far from Mercedes, to be beaten clearly by Red Bull.

[giantfan10]

Where is giantfan10 with his great annalysis?

I stopped responding to trolling attempts from that person a while back .I wonder what team he was a fan of prior to the last 2 years? Im going to guess Red Bull : )

[giantfan10]

And lets look at the supposed demise of Ferrari over the last 2 races.. Vettel gearbox problem and tire blowup... Kimi third because yellow flags stopped him from passing the unbeatable red bull in Austria
In brittain Vettel gearbox problem and then we had a VSC that caught out an attempt by both Ferraris to get on inters before the rest of the field... other than a lot of spins there was nothing in this GP of note from any team...
Edit: inters not mediums

[Juzh]

And lets look at the supposed demise of Ferrari over the last 2 races.. Vettel gearbox problem and tire blowup... Kimi third because yellow flags stopped him from passing the unbeatable red bull in Austria
In brittain Vettel gearbox problem and then we had a VSC that caught out an attempt by both Ferraris to get on mediums before the rest of the field... other than a lot of spins there was nothing in this GP of note from any team...

There's an undeniable fact red bull were faster during the race in austria. Rai was on a better strategy than Ves and hence cought up with him in the closing stages. Before that ves was pulling away from rai even when he had fresher tires.

They were miles faster in silverstone. That one is a slam dunk. Penalties or not.

[giantfan10]

Ok so in 10 races red bull finished ahead of Ferrari 4 times spain. Monaco Austria and silverstone.
In Spain Ferrari was faster( impossible to pass)
In Austria Ferrari was faster( red bull saved by yellow flags)
Monaco rain and red bull was faster
Silverstone rain and red bull was faster
Those are the facts... from those facts we suddenly come to the conclusion that red bull is ahead of Ferrari because it sounds good.

[Schuttelberg]

I'd suggest that, while Ferrari are not meaningfully closer to affecting a change in outcome when racing Mercedes directly, the car has improved as evidenced by the results.

To my mind analysing Raikkonen's performance is a good proxy of Ferrari's performance as he appears more sensitive to poor car dynamics.

http://i.imgur.com/pUsJDRW.png

This graph illustrates the 7-term Moving Average points per race of Raikkonen and co-driver since the beginning of 2014. The number of terms was selected to provide some degree of smoothing without complete reduction of the data.

The trend of Raikkonen is unmistakably upward during this period. 2014 averaged to 8/9th place per race, 2015 averaged to 6/7th place, and this year the average is 5th place. These averages include DNFs etc...

His results suggest the car is getting better to drive.

Magnificent post! =D>

[sosic2121]

And lets look at the supposed demise of Ferrari over the last 2 races.. Vettel gearbox problem and tire blowup... Kimi third because yellow flags stopped him from passing the unbeatable red bull in Austria
In brittain Vettel gearbox problem and then we had a VSC that caught out an attempt by both Ferraris to get on mediums before the rest of the field... other than a lot of spins there was nothing in this GP of note from any team...

There's an undeniable fact red bull were faster during the race in austria. Rai was on a better strategy than Ves and hence cought up with him in the closing stages. Before that ves was pulling away from rai even when he had fresher tires.

They were miles faster in silverstone. That one is a slam dunk. Penalties or not.

This is just not true. in Austria Ferraris had much better tire wear. also, the pace was better overall. only reason why verstapen was faster than raikkonen was that Ricciardo was slowing him down. also, raikkonen's tires were used set(3 laps) so tire offset was only 4 laps. when it was obvious that kimi will pass Daniel and gap to max was large enough, rb pitted him.
so, max was saved by:
yellow flag(prevented overtake) ,
vsc(saved his tires),
Ricciardo(created a gap),
Kimi's lack of new tires,
Ferraris incredible strategy(probably to get seb in front of kimi...)

at Silverstone bold move to pit by Ferrari and Ricciardo was undone by VSC.

[giantfan10]

And lets look at the supposed demise of Ferrari over the last 2 races.. Vettel gearbox problem and tire blowup... Kimi third because yellow flags stopped him from passing the unbeatable red bull in Austria
In brittain Vettel gearbox problem and then we had a VSC that caught out an attempt by both Ferraris to get on mediums before the rest of the field... other than a lot of spins there was nothing in this GP of note from any team...

There's an undeniable fact red bull were faster during the race in austria. Rai was on a better strategy than Ves and hence cought up with him in the closing stages. Before that ves was pulling away from rai even when he had fresher tires.

They were miles faster in silverstone. That one is a slam dunk. Penalties or not.

This is just not true. in Austria Ferraris had much better tire wear. also, the pace was better overall. only reason why verstapen was faster than raikkonen was that Ricciardo was slowing him down. also, raikkonen's tires were used set(3 laps) so tire offset was only 4 laps. when it was obvious that kimi will pass Daniel and gap to max was large enough, rb pitted him.
so, max was saved by:
yellow flag(prevented overtake) ,
vsc(saved his tires),
Ricciardo(created a gap),
Kimi's lack of new tires,
Ferraris incredible strategy(probably to get seb in front of kimi...)

at Silverstone bold move to pit by Ferrari and Ricciardo was undone by VSC.

why are you bringing facts to this discussions lol i kid.....i will sum it up in a neat little bow.... for the past 4 GP Ferrari has had a long string of bad luck in addition to some classic pit wall blunders..... Red bull seems to have a pace advantage in the wet and changing conditions...
In the 4 races that red bull has finished ahead not once did they pass a Ferrari on track with a pace advantage... the same cannot be said for the races that Ferrari finished ahead of red bull. just saying : )

[Juzh]

There's an undeniable fact red bull were faster during the race in austria. Rai was on a better strategy than Ves and hence cought up with him in the closing stages. Before that ves was pulling away from rai even when he had fresher tires.

They were miles faster in silverstone. That one is a slam dunk. Penalties or not.

This is just not true. in Austria Ferraris had much better tire wear. also, the pace was better overall. only reason why verstapen was faster than raikkonen was that Ricciardo was slowing him down. also, raikkonen's tires were used set(3 laps) so tire offset was only 4 laps. when it was obvious that kimi will pass Daniel and gap to max was large enough, rb pitted him.
so, max was saved by:
yellow flag(prevented overtake) ,
vsc(saved his tires),
Ricciardo(created a gap),
Kimi's lack of new tires,
Ferraris incredible strategy(probably to get seb in front of kimi...)

at Silverstone bold move to pit by Ferrari and Ricciardo was undone by VSC.

why are you bringing facts to this discussions lol i kid.....i will sum it up in a neat little bow.... for the past 4 GP Ferrari has had a long string of bad luck in addition to some classic pit wall blunders..... Red bull seems to have a pace advantage in the wet and changing conditions...
In the 4 races that red bull has finished ahead not once did they pass a Ferrari on track with a pace advantage... the same cannot be said for the races that Ferrari finished ahead of red bull. just saying : )

Lol. Ferrari got wrecked in all conditions in silverstone wet, inter, dry. Didn't matter 1 bit. Not even worth going over this again.

But yeah, lets look at the facts.
In austria on lap 6 vettel overtook ricciardo. On lap 10 both of them and VES got past hulk and button. At that point vet has +2s gap to ves and -0.3 to ric. On lap 15 vet has a gap of -0.7s to ricciardo behind him and VES is now 2.3s in front. RIC pits.

On lap 24 kimi after he pits is 1.3s behind ric. On lap 27 kimi is 4.6s behind ric despite having 7 laps newer tires. Then we have the safety car. After the restart RIC again extends the gap to 2.7s to kimi and VES is another 3.3s in front of him. At that point RIC starts to struggle with tires and RAI closes up and overtakes. Ves is 6s in front of both of them before the overtake.
So yeah. In outright pace red bull was quicker, but the usual tire gremlins we saw in baku and canada bit them in their backsides once again. They also did in silverstone, but they had so much pace advantage on ferrari it didn't matter.

[giantfan10]

This is just not true. in Austria Ferraris had much better tire wear. also, the pace was better overall. only reason why verstapen was faster than raikkonen was that Ricciardo was slowing him down. also, raikkonen's tires were used set(3 laps) so tire offset was only 4 laps. when it was obvious that kimi will pass Daniel and gap to max was large enough, rb pitted him.
so, max was saved by:
yellow flag(prevented overtake) ,
vsc(saved his tires),
Ricciardo(created a gap),
Kimi's lack of new tires,
Ferraris incredible strategy(probably to get seb in front of kimi...)

at Silverstone bold move to pit by Ferrari and Ricciardo was undone by VSC.

why are you bringing facts to this discussions lol i kid.....i will sum it up in a neat little bow.... for the past 4 GP Ferrari has had a long string of bad luck in addition to some classic pit wall blunders..... Red bull seems to have a pace advantage in the wet and changing conditions...
In the 4 races that red bull has finished ahead not once did they pass a Ferrari on track with a pace advantage... the same cannot be said for the races that Ferrari finished ahead of red bull. just saying : )

Lol. Ferrari got wrecked in all conditions in silverstone wet, inter, dry. Didn't matter 1 bit. Not even worth going over this again.

But yeah, lets look at the facts.
In austria on lap 6 vettel overtook ricciardo. On lap 10 both of them and VES got past hulk and button. At that point vet has +2s gap to ves and -0.3 to ric. On lap 15 vet has a gap of -0.7s to ricciardo behind him and VES is now 2.3s in front. RIC pits.

On lap 24 kimi after he pits is 1.3s behind ric. On lap 27 kimi is 4.6s behind ric despite having 7 laps newer tires. Then we have the safety car. After the restart RIC again extends the gap to 2.7s to kimi and VES is another 3.3s in front of him. At that point RIC starts to struggle with tires and RAI closes up and overtakes. Ves is 6s in front of both of them before the overtake.
So yeah. In outright pace red bull was quicker, but the usual tire gremlins we saw in baku and canada bit them in their backsides once again. They also did in silverstone, but they had so much pace advantage on ferrari it didn't matter.

Spin it however you want to.....now explain away why Ferrari has been faster on race pace 8 of the ten races so far

[Juzh]

why are you bringing facts to this discussions lol i kid.....i will sum it up in a neat little bow.... for the past 4 GP Ferrari has had a long string of bad luck in addition to some classic pit wall blunders..... Red bull seems to have a pace advantage in the wet and changing conditions...
In the 4 races that red bull has finished ahead not once did they pass a Ferrari on track with a pace advantage... the same cannot be said for the races that Ferrari finished ahead of red bull. just saying : )

Lol. Ferrari got wrecked in all conditions in silverstone wet, inter, dry. Didn't matter 1 bit. Not even worth going over this again.

But yeah, lets look at the facts.
In austria on lap 6 vettel overtook ricciardo. On lap 10 both of them and VES got past hulk and button. At that point vet has +2s gap to ves and -0.3 to ric. On lap 15 vet has a gap of -0.7s to ricciardo behind him and VES is now 2.3s in front. RIC pits.

On lap 24 kimi after he pits is 1.3s behind ric. On lap 27 kimi is 4.6s behind ric despite having 7 laps newer tires. Then we have the safety car. After the restart RIC again extends the gap to 2.7s to kimi and VES is another 3.3s in front of him. At that point RIC starts to struggle with tires and RAI closes up and overtakes. Ves is 6s in front of both of them before the overtake.
So yeah. In outright pace red bull was quicker, but the usual tire gremlins we saw in baku and canada bit them in their backsides once again. They also did in silverstone, but they had so much pace advantage on ferrari it didn't matter.

Spin it however you want to.....now explain away why Ferrari has been faster on race pace 8 of the ten races so far

Because of a thing called development?
I ain't saying rb will be faster everywhere from now on, but it will be close.

Ricciardo was faster than both ferraris in china. Not only qualifying, but also in race pace. He just couldn't show it.

[giantfan10]

Lol. Ferrari got wrecked in all conditions in silverstone wet, inter, dry. Didn't matter 1 bit. Not even worth going over this again.

But yeah, lets look at the facts.
In austria on lap 6 vettel overtook ricciardo. On lap 10 both of them and VES got past hulk and button. At that point vet has +2s gap to ves and -0.3 to ric. On lap 15 vet has a gap of -0.7s to ricciardo behind him and VES is now 2.3s in front. RIC pits.

On lap 24 kimi after he pits is 1.3s behind ric. On lap 27 kimi is 4.6s behind ric despite having 7 laps newer tires. Then we have the safety car. After the restart RIC again extends the gap to 2.7s to kimi and VES is another 3.3s in front of him. At that point RIC starts to struggle with tires and RAI closes up and overtakes. Ves is 6s in front of both of them before the overtake.
So yeah. In outright pace red bull was quicker, but the usual tire gremlins we saw in baku and canada bit them in their backsides once again. They also did in silverstone, but they had so much pace advantage on ferrari it didn't matter.

Spin it however you want to.....now explain away why Ferrari has been faster on race pace 8 of the ten races so far

Because of a thing called development?
I ain't saying rb will be faster everywhere from now on, but it will be close.

Ricciardo was faster than both ferraris in china. Not only qualifying, but also in race pace. He just couldn't show it.

Its amazing how Red bulls development coincides perfectly with Ferrari screwing up their strategy ,inclement weather at the race track and Vettel having a grid penalty for a gearbox change.
Oh and Manor is the fastest F1 car ever made, they just cant show it : )
Certain cars being faster on certain tracks is the way F1 has been for 20+ years...dont know why its morphs into Red Bull outdeveloped anyone

[ME4ME]

Red Bull aside, Ferrari need to improve in all areas. Reliability has failed them in Austrialia (RAI), Bahrain (VET), Baku (VET), Silverstone (VET) - that's simply too many times. The drivers have under-performed as well, Kimi crashing in Monaco, even Vettel under-performing in qualifying a couple of times. And what to say about strategy, they've made "questionable" decisions to say the least. Worst of all, Ferrari seem to struggle with setting up the car. One weekend they're quick, the next they are no where. Ferrari should look internally and fix the problems, rather then looking externally and compare with Red Bull.

[sosic2121]

agreed!
Ferrari 's current pace is least of their problems.
compared to last year, everything is opposite. small gap to Merceds is getting bigger, strategy ruins chances, car is not reliable and Vettel is not perfect like was last year.
On the other hand, while RB is getting better every race and they are using every chance to put max in front of Ferraris. and also in front of ricciardo...