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Before the season RBR expected to be competitive in the second half of 2016. Nobody could ever thought to exceed their expectations that much.

If you compare the pre season-spec of Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren with their latest iterations from Silverstone, you can see really A LOT OF differences and updates.

The RB12 is pretty much the opposite. More or less pre season configuration. Do you think RBR will start an update firework after the summer break ... because they originally thought to be competitive since then.

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I think they are gonna shift the development attention to 2017 car before the summer break

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lio007 wrote:Before the season RBR expected to be competitive in the second half of 2016. Nobody could ever thought to exceed their expectations that much.

If you compare the pre season-spec of Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren with their latest iterations from Silverstone, you can see really A LOT OF differences and updates.

The RB12 is pretty much the opposite. More or less pre season configuration. Do you think RBR will start an update firework after the summer break ... because they originally thought to be competitive since then.
You see less changes.on the RB12 because the red bull is much further into diminishing returns
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Pierce89 wrote:
lio007 wrote:You see less changes.on the RB12 because the red bull is much further into diminishing returns
They are preparing for 2017 since april! They also told media (afair ~2 weeks ago) that there will be no more big upgrades beside the obvious Spa/Monza packages.

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From P. Lowe:
"It’s interesting that Red Bull are constantly peddling a story about the low power they’ve got, but just to set the record straight at this event as they often do, they chose to run a higher level of wing than we did.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merce ... er-798050/
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SectorOne wrote:From P. Lowe:
"It’s interesting that Red Bull are constantly peddling a story about the low power they’ve got, but just to set the record straight at this event as they often do, they chose to run a higher level of wing than we did.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merce ... er-798050/
This is really interesting bit. For a moment, if we assume that there isn't much between Mercedes and Renault PUs and as Paddy says, RBR is running more wing than Mercedes, which means relatively more downforce on RBR, but the point is, they still are quite far behind on the sector times. If you look at the way the Mercedes car was planted and flowing through those high downforce section, no one can say they had any kind of downforce deficit.
Now, the general understanding is, you look at a car's aero profile and then say, Oh, they have bolted a lot of downforce (more wing). So, it makes me curious now that, if W07's profile doesn't say, they have bolted a lot of wing (aero intensive), but they still manage to out do RBR, who have indeed bolted more wing on. Then either Mercedes are immensely maturing in finding highly efficient downforce, without using a lot of aero bits, that then also allows them better straight line speed, OR, they are now so evolved in their Mechanical grip that, the car is more depending on that Mechanical grip than aero grip and RBR team doesn't have such kind of mechanical expertise in their ranks and hence have to depend on those aero bits to generate downforce, which trades them a significant drag that takes away the straight line speed.

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It's a non deniable fact mercedes PU is MUCH better in probably every aspect there is. What lowe is implying with that statement is some next level smoke and mirrors.

Why didn't he come out with that statement after baku when wing levels were reversed and still merc was far ahead.

Or austria.

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SectorOne wrote:From P. Lowe:
"It’s interesting that Red Bull are constantly peddling a story about the low power they’ve got, but just to set the record straight at this event as they often do, they chose to run a higher level of wing than we did.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merce ... er-798050/
Paddy probably was at vacation when they raced in Baku. :lol:

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Silverstone Test Day 2:

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Looks like they've tested a smaller cooling outlet:
2nd Day Silverstone Test:
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The angle of the sensor heads behind the rear tyre suggests what the flow structures are. Interesting.
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Juzh wrote:It's a non deniable fact mercedes PU is MUCH better in probably every aspect there is. What lowe is implying with that statement is some next level smoke and mirrors.

Why didn't he come out with that statement after baku when wing levels were reversed and still merc was far ahead.

Or austria.
It's a bit of a "burn". Red Bull complained a lot last year, even going as far as saying(if I remember correctly) they would be World Champions with a better engine.

The Renault engine clearly has improved compared to last year, still, Red Bull isn't anywhere closer.

In a tl;dr sense the article simply says "Yo Red Bull, our aero is better than yours as well"
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wesley123 wrote:The Renault engine clearly has improved compared to last year, still, Red Bull isn't anywhere closer.
You should check your facts... Just compare last years time differences to Mercs in quali and also check the improvement teams made on every track compared to last year.
wesley123 wrote:"Yo Red Bull, our aero is better than yours as well"
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Really guys? A PU bro-down? In a car thread?
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gandharva wrote:
wesley123 wrote:The Renault engine clearly has improved compared to last year, still, Red Bull isn't anywhere closer.
You should check your facts... Just compare last years time differences to Mercs in quali and also check the improvement teams made on every track compared to last year.
wesley123 wrote:"Yo Red Bull, our aero is better than yours as well"
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