2016 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, 22-24 July

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Jolle
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Re: 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, 22-24 July

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I think, if the FIA Will demote all 107% drivers, RedBull will pull out of the GP

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siskue2005
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This is insanity if implemented....... people can get off by setting fastest ever lap of the weekend while a double yellow is shown, but they will demote everyone due to 107% even when that said session was red flagged 3 times and was changing conditions :S

Manjhi
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Key points to look for in tomorrows race :
1. It will be interesting to see how Rosberg will keep Hamilton behind in this hard to overtake circuit.
2. Mclaren starting in top ten, lets see if they can hold onto that position.
3. Ferrari will be in it's own race and definitely Red Bull will be ahead of them.
4. Perez once again is on good position to score few points for Force India, with softs lasting some 25-30 laps he might get 6 or 7th position.
5. Palmer might surprise here.
6. Apart from top 10, there is nothing to talk about.

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iotar__
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Forget the non story yellows here comes "rules are rules" :-) "Red Bull, Force India, Bottas face grid threat" http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-b ... 649/[quote] "During Q1, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107 percent of the fastest time set during that session, or who fails to set a time, will not be allowed to take part in the race. Under exceptional circumstances however, which may include setting a suitable lap time in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race.

"Any driver accepted in this manner will be placed at the back of the starting grid after any other penalties have been applied.
[/quote]Here comes the best part:
"It's understood that the stewards initially accepted the literal interpretation of the above rule and were prepared to move the five cars down the order.
However, at least one of the teams concerned has met with them and offered an alternative interpretation."


Forgive me when I fall on the floor laughing and guessing the team. Thank god for a BS 100% fake loophole and 'common sense'.

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Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperF1
So confirmation from FIA that RIC VES PER HUL BOT will start from original grid positions

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https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status ... 9043851265

Ric, Ves, Bot, Per, and Hul's grid positions remain unaffected.
The Wicked + The Divine.

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siskue2005 wrote:
iotar__ wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:Lewis :"If it is only a tenth you have to lose that is now different for us drivers and we can approach it differently. But I'm sure not that is the safest approach."
- How much did Hulkenberg slow down in Austria? Was it 0,x s or 'sufficiently'? Missed it? Didn't care about safety then? Safety my bottom, both your and Hamilton's interest are driver not safety related. I don't recall Hamilton's concern with consistency and safety after getting away with murder in Spain, blocking Ricciardo or pushing drivers off (Rosberg in Canada was more in front than Hamilton in Austria (BS excuse), where was your consistency then?).

- About those nonsense 0,2 0,5 s or whatever numbers (there's always something like that here #-o ). There are no fixed rules like that. What if sector is 50 or 30 s? What if track is 2 or 4 s quicker? Still 0,2 or 0,5?

- The very fact that Horner says jump and FIA says how high makes me sick. In '15 Ricciardo gets away with 4 causing collision drive through penalties (Austria, Japan, Hungary, Monaco) and in '16 he 'agrees' with Rosberg's 10 s in Austria. Surprise, surprise they couldn't squeeze anything out if this one because they saw the numbers and didn't even investigate there and then.
I stopped reading from the bold part.... as it was single yellow flag at Austria for Hulkenberg
of course you did.

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Jester Maroc wrote:
FoxHound wrote:Why were there yellows in that part of the track?
You are asking the wrong question. The "why of the yellow" is not the problem, the ignoring of a safety warning regarding potential danger ahead by the driver is a problem.

So the question should be, why did Rosberg feel the yellow flags do not apply to him?
As I've said, I'm playing devils advocate.

We know that Rosberg lifted for one of the corners, we also know the car was salvaged at the time of Rosberg passing through the section of retrieval.
To the letter of the law Rosberg should be punished, but when you factor in the circumstances, it's a tap on the wrist.

That's just my view, and you can hammer me all day, it won't change.
JET set

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Seen this repetition video you can see there is Green Flags just after Alonso Spun, you could see Hamilton reducing to avoid collision with Alo but then next turn you can see the green flag flashing and stewards is waving green flag, so if Alonso was already back to boxes when Rosberg arrive to turn 8 how come there were double yellow in turn 9? as some of you stated

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... LSTSI_E9Bb

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I fully expect stricter rules regarding double yellows for the next race, same thing that happened with the radio ban.

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siskue2005 wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoEfzkhWEAEIJYH.jpg

Clearly they didnt see that it was also double yellow into turn 9 also. :shock:
Nice one FIA, proving that you are incompetent as ever :x
http://i.imgur.com/ptxXq8v.png
Good catch.

Well I find it amazing that they seem to accept that under double yellows it is possible for some to achieve a new fastest lap.

Doesnt really matter as the rules are woeful and need simplification and clarification.
Race happens tomorrow who knows what happens then!

Whatever happened to the breakaway F1 circuit?
FIA incompetence really doesnt improve the racing.

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iotar__ wrote:Forget the non story yellows here comes "rules are rules" :-) "Red Bull, Force India, Bottas face grid threat" http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-b ... 649/[quote] "During Q1, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107 percent of the fastest time set during that session, or who fails to set a time, will not be allowed to take part in the race. Under exceptional circumstances however, which may include setting a suitable lap time in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race.

"Any driver accepted in this manner will be placed at the back of the starting grid after any other penalties have been applied.
Here comes the best part:
"It's understood that the stewards initially accepted the literal interpretation of the above rule and were prepared to move the five cars down the order.
However, at least one of the teams concerned has met with them and offered an alternative interpretation."


Forgive me when I fall on the floor laughing and guessing the team. Thank god for a BS 100% fake loophole and 'common sense'.[/quote]

Apparently, it was Williams, not Red Bull!

More:
Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperF1 1 min1 perccel ezelőtt
FIA says rival teams cannot make an appeal against tonight's decision, so those who might benefit (Ferrari) are stuck with original grid

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Redragon
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Seen this repetition video you can see there is Green Flags just after Alonso Spun, you could see Hamilton reducing to avoid collision with Alo but then next turn you can see the green flag flashing and stewards is waving green flag, so if Alonso was already back to boxes when Rosberg arrive to turn 8 how come there were double yellow in turn 9? as some of you stated

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... LSTSI_E9Bb


Stills video

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dans79
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The FIA is a complete joke. The way they interpret and apply the rules is borderline criminal.
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Manjhi
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flickerf1 wrote:https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status ... 9043851265

Ric, Ves, Bot, Per, and Hul's grid positions remain unaffected.
What !!!! There isn't any grid penalty for Vettel for gear box ??? :evil: