2016 German Grand Prix - Hockenheim, 29-31 July

[iotar__]

So thoughts on whiting saying that a double yellow flag=a red flag?
Kind of gives on the impression that what rosberg did was not above board

I think it was inevitable, as a lot of the top drivers commented how it set a bad precedence.

A lot of drivers said it was normal and the only reason it was discussed because it was Rosberg. Selective reality again? You have to really appreciate drivers input though, look at Vettel for example. After Q he is mad at Button who supposedly blocked him when he wanted to the same as Rosberg. Three days later he is thoughtful and 'concerned' about safety. Changed his mind with written lines? Give me a break with 'concerned' drivers.

[andartop]

https://twitter.com/JensonButton/status ... 5822229504

Oh no. They are going to ban foreign bodies now.

[Phil]

The STUPIDITY is really boundless in F1. Just think about that for one minute. EVERY TIME there's a double yellow, every time, they Red flag, the session is automatically stopped, ALL the cars have to file back to the pits, and then the session has to be restarted later. For even something as common as a spin. Now imagine this can happen literally five times or more in a session. Red flag. Do you know how common double yellows are in some sessions?! All because formula one cannot just decree the minimum lift off expectations, say 'look this is it', and let proceedings go on

Ehm no. That's not what was decided at all.

As far as I understand it - double yellows = lap times are deleted. Normal yellow = a lift is good.

[ChrisDanger]

The STUPIDITY is really boundless in F1. Just think about that for one minute. EVERY TIME there's a double yellow, every time, they Red flag, the session is automatically stopped, ALL the cars have to file back to the pits, and then the session has to be restarted later. For even something as common as a spin. Now imagine this can happen literally five times or more in a session. Red flag. Do you know how common double yellows are in some sessions?! All because formula one cannot just decree the minimum lift off expectations, say 'look this is it', and let proceedings go on

Ehm no. That's not what was decided at all.

As far as I understand it - double yellows = lap times are deleted. Normal yellow = a lift is good.

Crofty was saying during FP2 that a double yellow will result in a stopped session, so effectively the same as a red flag.

I believe there was a discussion about double yellows and potentially using a red flag to neutralise things and stop people improving. Is that correct?

CW: That is correct.

From this weekend?

CW: Yes. Ever since we had the Virtual Safety Car in 2015 and then this year we use it in free practice – well, we can use it in qualifying really but we tend now to stop if there is going to be a yellow flag for any length of time. The reason we didn’t show a red flag in Hungary was simply that session had ended but some cars were behind Alonso’s car and some in front, so I think the procedure would be to red flag it any time there is a double waved yellow flag. Then there will be no discussion.

[hemichromis]

The STUPIDITY is really boundless in F1. Just think about that for one minute. EVERY TIME there's a double yellow, every time, they Red flag, the session is automatically stopped, ALL the cars have to file back to the pits, and then the session has to be restarted later. For even something as common as a spin. Now imagine this can happen literally five times or more in a session. Red flag. Do you know how common double yellows are in some sessions?! All because formula one cannot just decree the minimum lift off expectations, say 'look this is it', and let proceedings go on

Isn't it usually single yellows we see frequently?
Double yellows seem rare to me.

[langwadt]

The STUPIDITY is really boundless in F1. Just think about that for one minute. EVERY TIME there's a double yellow, every time, they Red flag, the session is automatically stopped, ALL the cars have to file back to the pits, and then the session has to be restarted later. For even something as common as a spin. Now imagine this can happen literally five times or more in a session. Red flag. Do you know how common double yellows are in some sessions?! All because formula one cannot just decree the minimum lift off expectations, say 'look this is it', and let proceedings go on

Ehm no. That's not what was decided at all.

As far as I understand it - double yellows = lap times are deleted. Normal yellow = a lift is good.

on TV they said double yellow will now be a red flag and stopped session during qualification

double yellow usually means personnel, equipment or parked cars on the track so drivers should be ready
to stop, common sense tell that it should be impossible to set a competitive time when doing that.

The problem with a red flag is that they lose the time it take to do an out lap

[Phil]

I stand corrected then. I read the article on AMuS and simply understood it different. Now that I'm reading it again, indeed it seems that double yellows results in a red-flag.

Perhaps my ability to think logical prevented me from actually reading it right. I thought double-yellow = all lap times in progress are deleted, e.g. to ensure no one feels the need to continue to push, even on a drying track, would no longer exist without the headache of stopping the session. My oh my, F1 is indeed run by monkeys.

What about during the race? Double yellow = red flag too? Or have they still not realized that perhaps, double yellows need to be clarified for not only qualifying, but during the race too? I'm gobsmacked by the apparent inability to find a simple logical and coherent solution.

[TAG]

So clearly Nico's ruling last Saturday by the stewards didn't sit fine if they went ahead and rewrote the book this weekend.

[justmoi]

Deleting lap times for people going through the double yellows is better. Red flagging the session is silly. It deletes everybody's lap, even if you've passed the double yellow section. It stops the session and everyone files back to the pits AND then have to restart later.

And double yellows are quite common on certain tracks and during wet sessions, indeed they can happen on any track. Several times. There was no Marshall when Alonso spun, nor was any needed. He simply had to spin around and continue on his way.

[justmoi]

The previous rule was fine. Clarify it and then enforce it 'properly'

And if it makes sense during quali when you may have only 10 cars on track eg during Q3, why not apply it during the race then when you have all 22 cars on track. Imagine stop and starting a race EVERY time there's a double yellow flag. Surely if it's a safety issue they would apply it to the race also. So it seems to me it's more to stop drivers bickering about trying to improve times during quali under double yellow flags. That's not only stupid it's childish from the FIA.

[dans79]

The previous rule was fine. Clarify it and then enforce it 'properly'

We are talking about the FIA here, they don't do logical stuff like that!

[gandharva]

Average longrun times per tire and stint lenght:

1. Rosberg 1.20,363 11 supersoft
2. Ricciardo 1.20,947 11 supersoft
3. Verstappen 1.21,004 10 supersoft
4. Bottas 1.21,226 9 supersoft
5. Hülkenberg 1.21,595 13 supersoft
6. Hamilton 1.21,626 9 supersoft
7. Perez 1.21,685 10 supersoft
8. Sainz 1.21,724 6 supersoft
9. Massa 1.21,731 7 supersoft
10. Räikkönen 1.21,748 13 supersoft

1. Ricciardo 1.20,236 7 soft
2. Rosberg 1.20,509 11 soft
3. Verstappen 1.21,060 12 soft
4. Hamilton 1.21,322 7 soft
5. Hülkenberg 1.21,372 16 soft
6. Button 1.21,518 6 soft
7. Räikkönen 1.21,523 13 soft
8. Kvyat 1.21,667 6 soft
9. Sainz 1.21,841 7 soft
10. Perez 1.21,855 14 soft

[aral]

A number of posts about driver ages and of events relevant to the Hungarian GP have been removed. Please try to remain on topic which is German GP.

[ClarkBT11]

Average longrun times per tire and stint lenght:

1. Rosberg 1.20,363 11 supersoft
2. Ricciardo 1.20,947 11 supersoft
3. Verstappen 1.21,004 10 supersoft
4. Bottas 1.21,226 9 supersoft
5. Hülkenberg 1.21,595 13 supersoft
6. Hamilton 1.21,626 9 supersoft
7. Perez 1.21,685 10 supersoft
8. Sainz 1.21,724 6 supersoft
9. Massa 1.21,731 7 supersoft
10. Räikkönen 1.21,748 13 supersoft

1. Ricciardo 1.20,236 7 soft
2. Rosberg 1.20,509 11 soft
3. Verstappen 1.21,060 12 soft
4. Hamilton 1.21,322 7 soft
5. Hülkenberg 1.21,372 16 soft
6. Button 1.21,518 6 soft
7. Räikkönen 1.21,523 13 soft
8. Kvyat 1.21,667 6 soft
9. Sainz 1.21,841 7 soft
10. Perez 1.21,855 14 soft

Do we think Hamilton is taking it easy on his pu in FP or do they get allocated engines for practice?
A different theory could be he doesn't want to give Rosberg his data or does Rosberg have the upper hand?
Is there any reports of Hamilton struggling with his balance/setup?

[3jawchuck]

Do we think Hamilton is taking it easy on his pu in FP or do they get allocated engines for practice?
A different theory could be he doesn't want to give Rosberg his data or does Rosberg have the upper hand?
Is there any reports of Hamilton struggling with his balance/setup?

If it isn't that he's just not got an answer for Rosberg then it is likely engine saving, the allocation of engines applies to all sessions.