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Renault's Cyril Abiteboul has revealed that the French manufacturer aims to continue its ascent in the engine department as the company is preparing a completely new platform, including novel technology that has not yet been seen on the track.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... -ricciardoDaniel Ricciardo believes Red Bull's Renault Formula 1 engine is now on a par with Ferrari.
Red Bull started the year trailing Mercedes and Ferrari, and Ricciardo feels the Renault power unit - rebadged as TAG Heuer over the winter - has made considerable strides to enable the team's already strong chassis to thrive.
"At the start of the year we went into Melbourne not really expecting much compared to the end of last year," said Ricciardo.
"But we came in with more horsepower, and then the update helped, and we've found a little bit more and a little bit more since then.
"It's been a nice refreshing improvement on both sides - the chassis is working well with the power unit.
"We're now pretty much on par with the '16 Ferrari [engine], and that's positive. They made a really big step last year.
The do have TJI though.NL_Fer wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... -ricciardoDaniel Ricciardo believes Red Bull's Renault Formula 1 engine is now on a par with Ferrari.
Red Bull started the year trailing Mercedes and Ferrari, and Ricciardo feels the Renault power unit - rebadged as TAG Heuer over the winter - has made considerable strides to enable the team's already strong chassis to thrive.
"At the start of the year we went into Melbourne not really expecting much compared to the end of last year," said Ricciardo.
"But we came in with more horsepower, and then the update helped, and we've found a little bit more and a little bit more since then.
"It's been a nice refreshing improvement on both sides - the chassis is working well with the power unit.
"We're now pretty much on par with the '16 Ferrari [engine], and that's positive. They made a really big step last year.
Not bad, even without TJi. Wonder what they were doing in 2015.
Compared the Merc, yeah, compared to the Ferrari, not so much.Juzh wrote:They were still slow in S1 and S3 despite running low wings.
If it even is TJI they're using, Mercedes for example has denied using both HCCI and TJI now so why couldn't Renault or Honda be working on further lean burn developments?zack! wrote:I read TJI will be for 2017 spec. They said they were not able to fully control the turbulence caused by the TJI in the chamber in the 2016 design / timeframe. I had a hope of late introduction in 2016, but my guess is that it is more effective to do one big design change with test, rather than 2...
Where did they deny this?FPV GTHO wrote:If it even is TJI they're using, Mercedes for example has denied using both HCCI and TJI now so why couldn't Renault or Honda be working on further lean burn developments?zack! wrote:I read TJI will be for 2017 spec. They said they were not able to fully control the turbulence caused by the TJI in the chamber in the 2016 design / timeframe. I had a hope of late introduction in 2016, but my guess is that it is more effective to do one big design change with test, rather than 2...
As far as Renault "seeing the light", that could simply be in relation to pre chamber ignition or something vague like that. AFAIK TJI was a more specific development by Mahle.
I mean, they weren't horendously slow, but there was a difference still. I've followed live timing trough qualifying and they were consistently down few tenths. What Ric probably meant was that on full tilt they're more or less equal, but in spa it seemed ferrari's ers was just that tiny bit more efficient. They had quite a bit more wing and still had higher speeds on top of raidilon and S1 speed traps.Pierce89 wrote:Compared the Merc, yeah, compared to the Ferrari, not so much.Juzh wrote:They were still slow in S1 and S3 despite running low wings.
HCCI was already out of the game from day one. only people with little knowledge were spreading HCCI as a method used in f1.FPV GTHO wrote:If it even is TJI they're using, Mercedes for example has denied using both HCCI and TJI now so why couldn't Renault or Honda be working on further lean burn developments?zack! wrote:I read TJI will be for 2017 spec. They said they were not able to fully control the turbulence caused by the TJI in the chamber in the 2016 design / timeframe. I had a hope of late introduction in 2016, but my guess is that it is more effective to do one big design change with test, rather than 2...
As far as Renault "seeing the light", that could simply be in relation to pre chamber ignition or something vague like that. AFAIK TJI was a more specific development by Mahle.
This is from Mahle themselfs. They don't deny then existence of other gas/gasoline pre-chamber systems. So maybe they are asking the wrong question to the teams. Are u using a pre-chamber ignition system would be better, although i doubt they would give some more clarity.Existing jet ignition systems involve the creation of hot gas jets from a pre-chamber which are then introduced into the cylinder where they rapidly induce ignition of the main in-cylinder charge. MAHLE’s TJI system is characterised by auxiliary pre-chamber fuelling, small orifices connecting the main and pre-chamber combustion cavities and a very small pre-chamber volume. The smaller orifice size causes turbulence in the hot gas jets which then penetrate deeper into the main combustion chamber and cause a distributed ignition effect. This process then allows extension of knock limits and increased compression ratios (up to 14:1) combined with lower combustion temperatures and reduced throttling / pumping losses to achieve thermal efficiencies in the region of 45%.