There was a large jump this year due to tyres alone I believe?Ogami musashi wrote:the reference year for time improvements is 2015, not 2016.
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There was a large jump this year due to tyres alone I believe?Ogami musashi wrote:the reference year for time improvements is 2015, not 2016.
I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I'd be very surprised if the teams find that much time. That sort of improvement ( 2 - 3 seconds) usually comes about when a team has seriously messed up at the start of the season.godlameroso wrote:Pirelli itself is estimating that the cars will be ~3 seconds faster to start and as much as 5-6 seconds by the end. The tires alone being an average of 70mm wider should bring at least a 2.75 second advantage and another second from the chassis. Then the gains from the engine/chassis integration, aero optimization, suspension development, power unit gains, and finally exploiting and understanding the new tires. That's easily another second and a half at least. So there's close to 6 seconds right there.Blaze1 wrote:I really don't think we will see that sort of a jump. Yes the cars will initially be 3 to 4 seconds a lap quicker than the current cars, but they will not gain another 3 to 4 seconds a lap by the end of the year through development, that would make them up to 8 seconds a lap quicker than 2016!!! The most the 'sorted' cars will gain is around a second.
It's hard to quantify, on the one hand there are softer compounds at every track this year, on the other hand the construction is different to last year's. Many drivers reporting during winter testing that the tires felt harder than last year's, but this could be due to the ridiculous tire pressures Pirelli was mandating.Blaze1 wrote:The was a large jump this year due to tyres alone I believe?Ogami musashi wrote:the reference year for time improvements is 2015, not 2016.
If that were true, why would they waste time and money on doing it??, nothing they're doing will translate well to next year
Maybe hoping they can get a better idea of how the tyres work.strad wrote:If that were true, why would they waste time and money on doing it??, nothing they're doing will translate well to next year
MOTORSPORT.COMSebastian Vettel feels the mule cars used to test Pirelli's 2017 tyres do not provide a fair reflection of the actual downforce next year's F1 single-seaters will have.
Vettel has been one of the drivers in charge of carrying out testing duties for the tyre manufacturer, using a 2015 car fitted with skirts and a bigger rear wing to simulate next year's downforce.
However, Pirelli has already expressed concerns that the downforce levels are around 20 percent short of what it actually needs and is in discussions with the FIA to try to find a solution.
Vettel said the grip levels with the wider 2017 tyres did not feel much higher than with the current rubber.
"You need to speak to Pirelli, obviously. With the tyre testing we are a bit blind," said Vettel. "We get to test different tyres and then we give our feedback.
"I think Pirelli is still in the early days and there is still a lot of change so I'm quite keen to find out the last test in Abu Dhabi, which I think it's probably closer to what we'll have next year, but even from then to next year I think there will be some changes.
"I think the tyres in terms of grip are fairly similar to what we have now, probably a little bit better, but I think the interim car is also not entirely fair.
"So a lot of it is still blind but to get a first idea I think it's heading in the right direction, but for details you'd have to speak to Pirelli as they are not giving us much information."