2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

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Who says they are not squeezing maximum speed with their chasis? Again u have no data to present and u compare Mclaren with STR. 2 completely different chasis phylosophis and very different engines. Honda itself admited their ICE has less HP than Mercedes and Ferrari and that they are still little bit under Renault. STRs engine is a second generation engina, same as Honda and we all know that last year Ferrari was quite close to Mercedes power wise. So, Honda is somewhere in the range of the STRs engine.

U said STRs car excels in the corners that Mclaren is abd at, and jet they couldnt achieve points in Suzuka. Youre whole theory collapses with this example.

Renault on the other hand is much worse than Redbull due to the facts:
1. Their car is from last year, made arround Mercedes engine
2. The car was barely updated at all
3. Redbull has a quicker lineup
4. The Lotus alone was made by much fewer funds last year, barely scrapped and stiched together together
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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Hello Guys!

What are your opinions about McLaren's future? There are several loyal partners who broke their co-operation with McLaren.
But This is not the first unsuccessful period in the team's life. Don't these partners believe in Mclaren anymore?

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Just want to react regarding Exxon leaving Mclaren.
I think this event wasn't really a surprise to Mclaren Mgmt. Exxon signed a renewed 5 yr contract extension with the team way back 2011, which means the deal would end by the current F1 season.

See link: http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/mcla ... exxonmobil

Whether Exxon would want to stay with the team at a discount, or Mclaren decided to go separate ways, we would not know.
I also think Mclaren/Honda saw significant performance boost with BP/Castrol (Honda dyno tests?), and decided to forego $35m a yr from Exxon with reported $30m BP money.

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Who says they are not squeezing maximum speed with their chasis? Again u have no data to present and u compare Mclaren with STR. 2 completely different chasis phylosophis and very different engines. Honda itself admited their ICE has less HP than Mercedes and Ferrari and that they are still little bit under Renault. STRs engine is a second generation engina, same as Honda and we all know that last year Ferrari was quite close to Mercedes power wise. So, Honda is somewhere in the range of the STRs engine.

U said STRs car excels in the corners that Mclaren is abd at, and jet they couldnt achieve points in Suzuka. Youre whole theory collapses with this example.

Renault on the other hand is much worse than Redbull due to the facts:
1. Their car is from last year, made arround Mercedes engine
2. The car was barely updated at all
3. Redbull has a quicker lineup
4. The Lotus alone was made by much fewer funds last year, barely scrapped and stiched together together
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows
its not me who said the honda has more power than the 2015 ferrari engine, its TR team boss himself and some of his drivers, i believe it was on ted kravitz notebook, if you want i can find it for you.
And this was i believe during the german gp and since then honda have brough consistent upgrades to their engine. and its not suprising the TR is botton of the speed traps.

the TR chassis i believe is a very efficient chassis producing good efficient downforce, unlike mclaren and TR chassis is more capable to gaining time during corners as evident in the the last few races. i have seen that mclaren are consistently running elements like monkey wings and the new batman wing to get downforce but honestly they creating more inefficient downforce. you hardly see TR running them.

As for renault , renault is not a small company , it a company with massive resources, but i find it hard to believe that they will be close to redbull next season. just like toyota, onces i believe they were said to have a very strong engine but there laptimes are bad, main reason, they never had a techincal expertise to lead. Redbull is very lucky they have the best designer Adrian Newey, and the redbull is more an evolution and it developed into this very efficient chassis. renault will never get close to redbull next year, unless, they get good technnical staff and plan for 2018 season. . if you are think renault will be good next season even close to redbull why dont you say it? and TR is some influence from redbull , and that one reason it as very similar feature to the redbull , no suprise it pretty good chassis,

as for honda,, they need to be brave and need try to supply a team not sauber but at least TR or williams , who might be capable to give the top guys challenge. i can understand why ron blocked them from supplying, but its time honda think about the future and not stuck with mclaren, or they will lose their image.

just to add to this mclaren mercedes in 2013 did poorly in japan and also in 2014 but that was when the unfortunate incident of jules death happened. it goes to show there its not an all out engine problem but a chassis problem that need to be addressed as well.

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Anyone find the quotes of Ross Brawn saying he's ready to come back to F1 are conveniently timed with the question marks over Ron Dennis' future?

I mean if anyone can come in and return Mclaren to the top step it's the man who masterminded Schumi at to all his championships and laid the groundwork for what is now Mercedes F1.
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I think Ross Brawn has stated he has no desire to return to a team principles role, I do see him either as a replacement for Charlie Whiting or even replacing Bernie at some point although I think when Bernie goes he will be replaced by a couple of people with the skills set to either market the organization or negotiate new contacts.
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bbc mentioned in one of their articles that ross was a candidate to take ron's job, but there were other candidates too
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Stoffel has won the final Super Formula race at Suzuka.

Finishing the season in 4th place overall, with 2 wins, 1 third place, 1 pole and as best Honda driver. =D>

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kaepernickus wrote:Stoffel has won the final Super Formula race at Suzuka.

Finishing the season in 4th place overall, with 2 wins, 1 third place, 1 pole and as best Honda driver. =D>
Awesome

Is super formula a spec series?
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Alonso Fan wrote:
kaepernickus wrote:Stoffel has won the final Super Formula race at Suzuka.

Finishing the season in 4th place overall, with 2 wins, 1 third place, 1 pole and as best Honda driver. =D>
Awesome

Is super formula a spec series?
They use a Dallara SF14 chassis but the engine is not spec.

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This is the article talking about Ross Brawn interview, he just want a position for running the sport not on a team if I understood well http://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/20 ... nes-drivi/

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Brawn is releasing a book one of these days. That's why he is quoted evrywhere lately. I wouldn't read anything into the timing.
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Tuesday apparently.
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techman wrote:
Everyone needs to stop feeding the obvious troll. More you guys feed him,more he enjoys it.
iam not trolling, i telling you the reality and honesty about this whole mclaren chassis and honda debate. anyway in 2017 it will all be seen when FIA test these engines
Do you work inside McLaren?

Do you have any data about what compromises they´re doing chasis wise?

Then you have no idea what is reality. Please do you confuse your opinion with reality, you´re free to post your opinions obviously, but since you said "I´m telling you the reality" your post becomes fanboyism. No outsider can know reality in F1, as simple as that.

Post your opinions, but please don´t try to convice people you know what reality is, because we all know you don´t know it :wink:

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techman wrote: its not me who said the honda has more power than the 2015 ferrari engine, its TR team boss himself and some of his drivers, i believe it was on ted kravitz notebook, if you want i can find it for you.
And this was i believe during the german gp and since then honda have brough consistent upgrades to their engine. and its not suprising the TR is botton of the speed traps.

the TR chassis i believe is a very efficient chassis producing good efficient downforce, unlike mclaren and TR chassis is more capable to gaining time during corners as evident in the the last few races. i have seen that mclaren are consistently running elements like monkey wings and the new batman wing to get downforce but honestly they creating more inefficient downforce. you hardly see TR running them.

As for renault , renault is not a small company , it a company with massive resources, but i find it hard to believe that they will be close to redbull next season. just like toyota, onces i believe they were said to have a very strong engine but there laptimes are bad, main reason, they never had a techincal expertise to lead. Redbull is very lucky they have the best designer Adrian Newey, and the redbull is more an evolution and it developed into this very efficient chassis. renault will never get close to redbull next year, unless, they get good technnical staff and plan for 2018 season. . if you are think renault will be good next season even close to redbull why dont you say it? and TR is some influence from redbull , and that one reason it as very similar feature to the redbull , no suprise it pretty good chassis,

as for honda,, they need to be brave and need try to supply a team not sauber but at least TR or williams , who might be capable to give the top guys challenge. i can understand why ron blocked them from supplying, but its time honda think about the future and not stuck with mclaren, or they will lose their image.

just to add to this mclaren mercedes in 2013 did poorly in japan and also in 2014 but that was when the unfortunate incident of jules death happened. it goes to show there its not an all out engine problem but a chassis problem that need to be addressed as well.
Dude I'm the biggest Honda fan here, and i hate it whenever the Mclaren people try to shift most of the blame on Honda but you really need to cool it. Saying the same thing over and over again like a broken record is not gonna make any difference, all you are doing is annoying people.
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