The 2016 F1 WDC Title Dumpster Topic

[alexx_88]

Lewis should leave the team. They have been unfair and they need to be taught a lesson. Rosberg cannot carry the team to glory on his own. They need that STAR driver. Rosberg is a good driver and deserving of his WDC but he is not in that bracket of Alonso, Lewis, Max and Dani Ric. Plain and simple!

Definitely! It's not like Mercedes has a car that's miles ahead of the competition and literally any of the current F1 drivers would've won the title. Oh, wait...

The truth is that these championships belong mostly to the guys at the factory. Even more than Vettel's. That doesn't say anything about Hamilton and Rosberg and their quality as drivers. As such, when you owe so much to those people who have designed and built the car, for whom the race win bonuses are actually important, it's incredibly selfish to act in the way that Lewis did yesterday.

A few things.
1 Merc have already won the WCC.
2 A Merc driver was winning the WDC
3 The race win was clearly in no doubt.
So the designers and builders were in no danger of losing bonuses.

The whole logic of your arguement is built on nothing as a way to try and deflect away from a team favouring 1 driver and towards a driver rightly trying to win a WDC.

Also in 2017 the regs have changed and we are back more towards an aero spec car with unlimited engine upgrades. You think Merc will still be THAT dominant?

I said race win bonus, so your first and second points have no relevance. As for the other, where do those bonuses come from? Mercedes. Why do they pay them? Contrary to some people's opinions, not to provide extremely expensive fast cars to young men, but to get some sort of quantifiable market advantage. That advantage stems from dominant wins, crushing other car manufacturers in the process. There's no technological dominance being shown by winning in the manner they did yesterday. Not to mention that there was an actual risk of not winning. One missed braking point or weird attacking move and all 3 could've DNFed.

No sane manager accepts a risk with absolutely no potential reward. That's silly. Not to mention the actual downsides that I've listed above.

[bauc]

To me its funny when people say the Nico did not deserve the title... Yes HAM is the better driver, I have no doubt about that, I dont think anybody has really. But ROS did win 9 races this year. NINE and yes you can argue that he won some of those 9 races as HAM had a DNF but at the end of the day a win is a win and it goes both ways. If ROS had only 3-4 wins against 10 wins for HAM then I would say totally undeserved title but like this, just one win difference cm'on guys I'm not a ROS fan, far far from it but this is just ridiculous.

[Gothrek]

Actually i think Nico is ok with Hamilton trying all his, made Nico's WDC all the sweeter. ^^

I am sure he should, also knowing that he could only win the title because of his superior team mate's misfortune and not for his own driving skills. That should make him the most happiest champion ever.

Hamilton just didn't perform at his top game most of season, at the end it was too little too late. In the beginning of the season I had the feeling he was acting like the next WDC was already in the bag. ( Rosberg even let him through in Monaco. ) Rosberg has drive an amazingly consistent season, it wasn't the most glorious, but he kept his head down and always got on with it. In raw talent everybody judges Hamilton to be the best, but talent alone doesn't get you the WDC...

[GPR-A duplicate2]

....but talent alone doesn't get you the WDC...

Your team fixing it matters.

[turbof1]

To me its funny when people say the Nico did not deserve the title... Yes HAM is the better driver, I have no doubt about that, I dont think anybody has really. But ROS did win 9 races this year. NINE and yes you can argue that he won some of those 9 races as HAM had a DNF but at the end of the day a win is a win and it goes both ways. If ROS had only 3-4 wins against 10 wins for HAM then I would say totally undeserved title but like this, just one win difference cm'on guys I'm not a ROS fan, far far from it but this is just ridiculous.

And it was not like nobody saw this coming. This outcome was very probable after Japan; I am also perplexed with the amount of controversy this generates.

For the record, to the people who believe Mercedes conspired with Rosberg: What do you think it means for Mercedes when a PU blows up? That's not exactly good marketing. Plus 1,500 workers can say goodbye to a bonus.

Every decision Mercedes made that did not benefit Hamilton, was made solely to benefit the team, just as every decision made that did not benefit Rosberg, was made solely to benefit the team.

[Restomaniac]

Definitely! It's not like Mercedes has a car that's miles ahead of the competition and literally any of the current F1 drivers would've won the title. Oh, wait...

The truth is that these championships belong mostly to the guys at the factory. Even more than Vettel's. That doesn't say anything about Hamilton and Rosberg and their quality as drivers. As such, when you owe so much to those people who have designed and built the car, for whom the race win bonuses are actually important, it's incredibly selfish to act in the way that Lewis did yesterday.

A few things.
1 Merc have already won the WCC.
2 A Merc driver was winning the WDC
3 The race win was clearly in no doubt.
So the designers and builders were in no danger of losing bonuses.

The whole logic of your arguement is built on nothing as a way to try and deflect away from a team favouring 1 driver and towards a driver rightly trying to win a WDC.

Also in 2017 the regs have changed and we are back more towards an aero spec car with unlimited engine upgrades. You think Merc will still be THAT dominant?

I said race win bonus, so your first and second points have no relevance. As for the other, where do those bonuses come from? Mercedes. Why do they pay them? Contrary to some people's opinions, not to provide extremely expensive fast cars to young men, but to get some sort of quantifiable market advantage. That advantage stems from dominant wins, crushing other car manufacturers in the process. There's no technological dominance being shown by winning in the manner they did yesterday. Not to mention that there was an actual risk of not winning. One missed braking point or weird attacking move and all 3 could've DNFed.

No sane manager accepts a risk with absolutely no potential reward. That's silly. Not to mention the actual downsides that I've listed above.

Do you think Merc didn't watch the race? I'm pretty sure they did and as such I had hoped that the Merc management would expect that both of their drivers would want to win the WDC and so would make sure that those actions were factored in. Their actions show otherwise. But yep you're right. The last thing in the world F1 needs is excitement. Better to have a Merc 1-2 that gifts the title to Rosberg.
Damn that selfish Hamilton for wanting to win eh!!! Who does he think he is.....Oh hang on he's a racing driver that want to WIN. As I said let us put any of the greats in Hamilton's shoes and think what their reaction would have been. All would have done the same I can think of at least one who would have had no issues properly brake testing Rosberg in a poop of bust move.
If Merc didn't see this coming then they are beyond naive. Their actions do however tell the world where their loyalties were.

The defending of Merc in all this is beyond strange.

[superdowg316]

....but talent alone doesn't get you the WDC...

Your team fixing it matters.

Why would Mercedes go through all the trouble of acquiring Hamilton in 2012 if they didn't want him to win the title? And more so, why spend so much money on keeping him if they don't want him to win anyways? If that's the case, then why not dump him for the cheaper Wehrlein/Hulkenberg/Perez/Literally anyone else? Nationality has nothing to do with it, otherwise they would have bought out Vettel's RBR contact back then for lots of money and had a guaranteed 100% chance at a German champion.

Lewis had bad luck this year, Nico didn't and Nico won the title. You may hate it, but it's the result we have and he, without any hesitation, deserves it.

[turbof1]

Nice article about it by Charles Bradley: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/opini ... im-854793/

[Phil]

To me its funny when people say the Nico did not deserve the title... Yes HAM is the better driver, I have no doubt about that, I dont think anybody has really. But ROS did win 9 races this year. NINE and yes you can argue that he won some of those 9 races as HAM had a DNF but at the end of the day a win is a win and it goes both ways. If ROS had only 3-4 wins against 10 wins for HAM then I would say totally undeserved title but like this, just one win difference cm'on guys I'm not a ROS fan, far far from it but this is just ridiculous.

It's a tricky one - IMO, I thought Rosberg would have been more deserving in 2014 for the title because at least there, he clearly had the upper hand in many qualifying segments and he won quite a few races on pace. Sure, even in 2014, Hamilton ended up with double the wins (or just about), but I still feel it was overall closer.

2016 leaves a somewhat foul taste for me, because some of the wins were simply handed on a golden platter. If those battles had been hard fought and still won, it would be a different story.

Still, I feel good for him (Rosberg) and was genuinely happy seeing him win it as everyone was on the podium and emotions started to kick in. I respect Nico a lot. There are not many drivers that IMO are as focused and resilient and consistent. That in itself makes him a worthy WDC.

[Restomaniac]

To me its funny when people say the Nico did not deserve the title... Yes HAM is the better driver, I have no doubt about that, I dont think anybody has really. But ROS did win 9 races this year. NINE and yes you can argue that he won some of those 9 races as HAM had a DNF but at the end of the day a win is a win and it goes both ways. If ROS had only 3-4 wins against 10 wins for HAM then I would say totally undeserved title but like this, just one win difference cm'on guys I'm not a ROS fan, far far from it but this is just ridiculous.

And it was not like nobody saw this coming. This outcome was very probable after Japan; I am also perplexed with the amount of controversy this generates.

For the record, to the people who believe Mercedes conspired with Rosberg: What do you think it means for Mercedes when a PU blows up? That's not exactly good marketing. Plus 1,500 workers can say goodbye to a bonus.

Every decision Mercedes made that did not benefit Hamilton, was made solely to benefit the team, just as every decision made that did not benefit Rosberg, was made solely to benefit the team.

The thing is the engine thing was questionable either way. However let us be honest here. The decisions Merc made yesterday with regard to instuctions and Wolffs comments post race favoured only 1 person and it wasn't Hamilton.

[turbof1]

To me its funny when people say the Nico did not deserve the title... Yes HAM is the better driver, I have no doubt about that, I dont think anybody has really. But ROS did win 9 races this year. NINE and yes you can argue that he won some of those 9 races as HAM had a DNF but at the end of the day a win is a win and it goes both ways. If ROS had only 3-4 wins against 10 wins for HAM then I would say totally undeserved title but like this, just one win difference cm'on guys I'm not a ROS fan, far far from it but this is just ridiculous.

And it was not like nobody saw this coming. This outcome was very probable after Japan; I am also perplexed with the amount of controversy this generates.

For the record, to the people who believe Mercedes conspired with Rosberg: What do you think it means for Mercedes when a PU blows up? That's not exactly good marketing. Plus 1,500 workers can say goodbye to a bonus.

Every decision Mercedes made that did not benefit Hamilton, was made solely to benefit the team, just as every decision made that did not benefit Rosberg, was made solely to benefit the team.

The thing is the engine thing was questionable either way. However let us be honest here. The decisions Merc made yesterday with regard to instuctions and Wolffs comments post race favoured only 1 person and it wasn't Hamilton.

The decision was made to benefit the team. To put it blunt and black/white, the team couldn't give one bit about the drivers. It only cares about achieving the highest possible finish, a 1-2. It saw a threat to that, so it acted. This is nothing different from it asking Rosberg in Monaco to let Hamilton through. Naturally, that goal of a 1-2 was benefitting Rosberg's title chances and reducing Hamilton's chances. A consequence the team is not giving any thought, nor should give any thought.

[Vasconia]

The decision was made to benefit the team. To put it blunt and black/white, the team couldn't give one bit about the drivers. It only cares about achieving the highest possible finish, a 1-2. It saw a threat to that, so it acted. This is nothing different from it asking Rosberg in Monaco to let Hamilton through.

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Is that simple. Mercedes is a company and like every company tries to secure the best result. To slow the package and let 3 drivers come and put this result under risk its something that any responsible chef would try to prevent.

[Restomaniac]

Nice article about it by Charles Bradley: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/opini ... im-854793/

I've made the same point.
Merc were Naive in issuing those instructions and other drivers WOULD have brake tested Rosberg in a poop or bust move.

[turbof1]

Nice article about it by Charles Bradley: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/opini ... im-854793/

I've made the same point.
Merc were Naive in issuing those instructions and other drivers WOULD have brake tested Rosberg in a poop or bust move.

Of course. Hamilton would not listen to it, as is his prerogative of driving the car. You can't blame him for that, and you neither can blame Mercedes for asking Hamilton to put up or shut up. What you saw were conflicting interests. Neither were wrong in their actions.

[Vasconia]

Nice article about it by Charles Bradley: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/opini ... im-854793/

"Might they have even ‘parked’ the car on the apex of a slow corner on the final lap, to try and dislodge Rosberg’s front wing? Yeah, probably!".

I have laughed with this reference to Michael and Ayrton.

Nice article. I doubt it will have serious consequences after the upcoming holidays but we will see what happens.