End of the V6t/Narrow Car Era.

[PlatinumZealot]

This was supposed to be the "thinking drivers" era, where drivers like Max, kimi and Lewis were supposed to downright struggle to make it to the finish line. We were wrong.

[strad]

I hope at the closure of this "Narrow cars, V6T" era, we can also close off the "Tyres are crap and cannot be pushed" part of F1's history.

Man .. I certainly second that.
I would also really applaud less clag ,, but I don't think that is likely. More tire will probably equal more clag.

[Manoah2u]

As long as this trash pirelli brand is in F1, we're stuck to this BS. I don't know if it was Bernie, Todt, or CVC's idea to run it like this, but it's hurting F1 nonetheless.
We don't need bulletproof Bridgestones, but neither do we need artificial nonsensical exploding tires. They should have brought in a different supplier and fired
Pirelli after the exploding tire incidents, but it's all about wuss management nowadays.

I really would have liked to see Michelin return.

untill which year has Pirelli made a deal ?

[Gaz.]

Unfortunately we have another three seasons with Pirelli.

[Pierce89]

I hope at the closure of this "Narrow cars, V6T" era, we can also close off the "Tyres are crap and cannot be pushed" part of F1's history.

Man .. I certainly second that.
I would also really applaud less clag ,, but I don't think that is likely. More tire will probably equal more clag.

Yeah the WEC Michelins that are "bulletproof" still cover the track in marbles like crazy. As far as I know most all modern high level race tires do it.

[zac510]

I remember as a kid picking up marbles from the track in the early 90s (F1 of course).
I also walked Suzuka after the race this year and there really was not that much tyre debris.
You're all dreaming of the perfect tyre which is impossible. You'll always be disappointed waiting for that perfect tyre.

[mclaren111]

rich1701:

I don't like the PU's simply because of their sound. they kind of remind me of an old soprano singing with a very bad cold. I've been going to GP's all my life, i remember the first time Mika Hakkinen drove past me in the mp4/15 and it absolutely blew my socks off, it was mind blowing. and sadly I don't think the specticle will be like that again.

Agree. I saw the last GP in South Africa in 1993 and the sound was absolutely awesome !!

Anything they can do to increase that and get close to the "Good old Days" would be welcomed [-o< [-o< [-o<

[santos]

I like F1 for the racing factor. I don't know why people are always talking about the sound. About the tires... well i think there are too many . Hard, soft, super soft, ultra soft... did i miss some?
Too many types of tires are killing the racing.

[NL_Fer]

They dropped downforce because it was unsafe, the cars could not follow and there was no overtaking. They reduced downforce, reduced tire life and still racing got worse. Rain racing was more unsafe now, still over following/overtaking because the tyres would go byebye. Next year we will be back to 1997and see were it goes.

I'd say spice it up with a bigger mgu-k and see how it develops.

[nokivasara]

As long as this trash pirelli brand is in F1, we're stuck to this BS. I don't know if it was Bernie, Todt, or CVC's idea to run it like this, but it's hurting F1 nonetheless.
We don't need bulletproof Bridgestones, but neither do we need artificial nonsensical exploding tires. They should have brought in a different supplier and fired
Pirelli after the exploding tire incidents, but it's all about wuss management nowadays.

I really would have liked to see Michelin return.

untill which year has Pirelli made a deal ?

Pirelli would make better tires if they were allowed to.
Bridgestone made long lasting tires because the regs demanded that.

I remember when the narrow era was introduced and Mclaren unveiled a very nice orange mp4-13, too bad it was just for show.

[Mansell89]

I couldn't be more thankful that these three seasons are over. I don't think it's been this boring for some time.

The power units have achieved some incredible technical feats on less fuel, but Formula 1 is a sport and a spectacle, and the new power units have ripped out one of the very core adrenaline fuels from our sport.

As people have already said, the riproaring sound brought goosebumps, and when you have a dominant team like Mercedes, it would be nice if they at least sounded and looked glorious in their domination.

I feel like the whole three years has been watered down F1.

The decision making and the thought processes behind it are astounding. Who ever sat down and decided to effectively LOCK IN performance advantage by banning in season testing and creating an embarrassing token system to prevent anyone catching up?

It was the equivalent of telling Arsenal that if they started slowly in the Premier League and were 5 points behind Man City, they weren't allowed to train to try and get any better.

And all in the name of "cost saving to help the smaller teams".

Well, IF WE DISTRIBUTE THE INCOME MORE EVENLY....

It has been awful. Manufacturers are now running F1 for their own road car purposes, whereas F1 should be an incredible sport and show that is a privilege to get your brand in as a result of the exposure.

F1 is coming off second best to other influences, and that's where it has gone really wrong.

It's racing. It's sport. If we ever lose sight of those two things, call it a day.

[Manoah2u]

As long as this trash pirelli brand is in F1, we're stuck to this BS. I don't know if it was Bernie, Todt, or CVC's idea to run it like this, but it's hurting F1 nonetheless.
We don't need bulletproof Bridgestones, but neither do we need artificial nonsensical exploding tires. They should have brought in a different supplier and fired
Pirelli after the exploding tire incidents, but it's all about wuss management nowadays.

I really would have liked to see Michelin return.

untill which year has Pirelli made a deal ?

Pirelli would make better tires if they were allowed to.
Bridgestone made long lasting tires because the regs demanded that.

I remember when the narrow era was introduced and Mclaren unveiled a very nice orange mp4-13, too bad it was just for show.

orange macca's are great indeed.

to be honest, i still don't concider this the definative 'end' of the narrow era. cars got fatter now and do the tires, but the suspension / wheels were positioned still rather wider than they are for 2017. its back in the right direction though, i'd say

[Pierce89]

As long as this trash pirelli brand is in F1, we're stuck to this BS. I don't know if it was Bernie, Todt, or CVC's idea to run it like this, but it's hurting F1 nonetheless.
We don't need bulletproof Bridgestones, but neither do we need artificial nonsensical exploding tires. They should have brought in a different supplier and fired
Pirelli after the exploding tire incidents, but it's all about wuss management nowadays.

I really would have liked to see Michelin return.

untill which year has Pirelli made a deal ?

Pirelli would make better tires if they were allowed to.
Bridgestone made long lasting tires because the regs demanded that.

I remember when the narrow era was introduced and Mclaren unveiled a very nice orange mp4-13, too bad it was just for show.

orange macca's are great indeed.

to be honest, i still don't concider this the definative 'end' of the narrow era. cars got fatter now and do the tires, but the suspension / wheels were positioned still rather wider than they are for 2017. its back in the right direction though, i'd say

Huh? the new cars will.be the widest ever in the floor, as I believe it was limited 1400mm even in the 2m track width era.

[strad]

As far as I know most all modern high level race tires do it.

What you see is not what has to be.
Much of the drop in lap times over the years has not been from horsepower or aerodynamics or certainly not from better drivers, but rather from gumball super sticky tires. And that is where we get so many marbles which plays havoc with the racing.
Do you want lap times or racing? I wonder sometimes which it is modern fans want.

[Restomaniac]

just read the technical regulations for 2017 and you will see that there won't be an increase in fuel flow.

Thanks, i did't notice that they finally published the regs on the 13th.


however this is just stupid, as the only thing its going to do is help on some tracks where fuel needed to be conserved, as 5.1.5 is still the same.

2016:

5.1.4 Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h.
5.1.5 Below 10500rpm the fuel mass flow must not exceed Q (kg/h) = 0.009 N(rpm)+ 5.5.

2017:

5.1.4 Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h.
5.1.5 Below 10500rpm the fuel mass flow must not exceed Q (kg/h) = 0.009 N(rpm)+ 5.5.

I highly doubt that any car will ever run with 105kg in the tanks next season, actually a smart team could get an advantage by continuing to run the same size tank as this year and most teams are already underfilling for a majority of 2016 races.

If I'm the FIA I get the boffins to work out what the maximum usage is by the thirstiest car and add 5Kg to that and have that as a MINIMUM. They need to stop the fuel saving BS that keeps going on.