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Pirelli has completed its first two day test session evaluating 2017 specification wet weather tyres at Fiorano. Sebastian Vettel drove yesterday and today it was the turn of Esteban Gutierrez to get behind the wheel of the SF15-T.
Kind of how big shipping trucks take wide right turns, or left depending on which part of the world you live in.PhillipM wrote:The track width is less of an issue for side by side running on tight tracks than the wheelbase to be honest, cars are very long compared to what they used to be and it hurts them if they try to go around the outside on a tight corner just because they can't get enough yaw angle.
Well, a few things on that:Just_a_fan wrote:The whole reason for banning/reducing testing was to limit cost. The big teams (Ferrari particularly) spent more on testing than they did racing. One reason Ferrari dominated at the beginning of the 2000s was because they just out-spent everyone on testing. They had bespoke tyres from Bridgestone each race - again lots of testing required. A return to that would kill F1.
- There's every indication that spending on testing has been reduced because of lack of testingf1316 wrote:Well, a few things on that:Just_a_fan wrote:The whole reason for banning/reducing testing was to limit cost. The big teams (Ferrari particularly) spent more on testing than they did racing. One reason Ferrari dominated at the beginning of the 2000s was because they just out-spent everyone on testing. They had bespoke tyres from Bridgestone each race - again lots of testing required. A return to that would kill F1.
- there's no indication budgets have been reduced as a result of no testing; teams just find other ways to spend the money - whether that's simulators, rolling roads or whatever, it's just swapping one expense for another (and not even thinking about the engine R+D Mercedes must have spent)
iotar__ wrote:- There's every indication that spending on testing has been reduced because of lack of testingf1316 wrote:Well, a few things on that:Just_a_fan wrote:The whole reason for banning/reducing testing was to limit cost. The big teams (Ferrari particularly) spent more on testing than they did racing. One reason Ferrari dominated at the beginning of the 2000s was because they just out-spent everyone on testing. They had bespoke tyres from Bridgestone each race - again lots of testing required. A return to that would kill F1.
- there's no indication budgets have been reduced as a result of no testing; teams just find other ways to spend the money - whether that's simulators, rolling roads or whatever, it's just swapping one expense for another (and not even thinking about the engine R+D Mercedes must have spent)
are you for real =D> if you find this thread pointless, you should not participate in it, as it would make your post rather pointless, doesn't it.- Different teams spend money in different ways and count money in different ways (cost - reward) so no it's not exactly they spend it anyway on something else = pointless. The very subject of this thread - another proof.
Real world example; Lotus would have gone bankrupt if Renault didnt buy them.- Tests are an important burden on budgets especially (I'm guessing) pre-season ones because of accumulation of costs at this particular time (new cars). Real world examples of Lotus, Sauber or better Force India show in recent years that trade-off decisions of skipping made sense for them.
Just_a_fan wrote:A return to that would kill F1.
It's already dead.
Of course it optical illusion. The tire on both ends will be out to the maximum width.Thunders wrote:@Manoah2u: If you look at the Pictures on Page 10 it seems like the outer edges are alligned. So i would go for "Optical Illusion" although even in the Pic you posted it seems more like the outer edges are alligned than the inner ones.
That means the teams have designed new front suspension. I'm not sure they did because of both the costs and the rules of the testing cars by the FIA.Pierce89 wrote:Of course it optical illusion. The tire on both ends will be out to the maximum width.Thunders wrote:@Manoah2u: If you look at the Pictures on Page 10 it seems like the outer edges are alligned. So i would go for "Optical Illusion" although even in the Pic you posted it seems more like the outer edges are alligned than the inner ones.
Are we talking about 2017 or the goofy '15 test cars? If we're talking about the test cars, then i retract my statement. I'm sure they just thre the tires on old suspensions, as the testing was mainly about aero loading and the speed and force increases that entails.Henk wrote:That means the teams have designed new front suspension. I'm not sure they did because of both the costs and the rules of the testing cars by the FIA.Pierce89 wrote:Of course it optical illusion. The tire on both ends will be out to the maximum width.Thunders wrote:@Manoah2u: If you look at the Pictures on Page 10 it seems like the outer edges are alligned. So i would go for "Optical Illusion" although even in the Pic you posted it seems more like the outer edges are alligned than the inner ones.
Unrelated point: Where would teams position the brakes and hub and how hollow are the rear rims?
Still, this kind of testing is useless. They can still limit the testing but let teams try their 2017 cars. Probably big teams can do that sooner and smaller teams will use their turn whenever they can get a car ready to test, even if it is after the season start...Just_a_fan wrote:The whole reason for banning/reducing testing was to limit cost. The big teams (Ferrari particularly) spent more on testing than they did racing. One reason Ferrari dominated at the beginning of the 2000s was because they just out-spent everyone on testing. They had bespoke tyres from Bridgestone each race - again lots of testing required. A return to that would kill F1.