2017 Williams Martini Racing Team - Mercedes

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Eddie_Temple
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This looks like a complete masterstroke for Mr. Stroll and his son.

The more I think about it, the more I appreciate people like this coming into F1. Let's give the unproven driver the benifit of the doubt for the moment....

Williams is a great team no doubt, but success 20yrs ago is basically irrelevant. They have tremendous technical ability BUT they need an influx of cash. I'm assuming Mr. Stroll has put more money on the table than the public is aware of. What does he ask in return?

-Immediate formation of top technical team. CHECK.
-known benchmark for his son to race against. CHECK.
-ability for his son to have many test sessions. CHECK.

Now the above 3 points are already facts. What I presume is that Williams has asked for a long term commitment from Mr. Stroll and his son (should he turn out to be a competent driver) AND his money...

This is truly an F1 WIN/WIN, Williams strengthens its technical ability and Stroll guarantees No1 status in the team within 2-3 years, or about the same time period it will take Williams to turn into a championship team again.

Masterstroke.
Welcome to the layer cake, son.

Manoah2u
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Lol. masterstroke. really?
You concider Pastor Maldonado a masterstroke?
putting untalented arrogant spoiled kids in a racecar is not a masterstroke. it's a repeat of one of the worst things to happen in F1. Williams jumped up the field when they signed a Martini deal, ditched the paydrivers, hired a professional driver [Massa] and had a decent driver [Bottas] in house, and the best engine out at that moment [2014]. That was a masterstroke.
They're only heading back to the midfield like this, and if they keep at it, it'll be the tail. Who will fill Massa's seat as of 2018? I see ZERO talent around the corner, and not a single experienced driver that is available nor willing to go there.

I would really like to see different, as i really liked Williams before. It was my favourite in the Hill and Villeneuve vs Schumacher era. I love the Williams from the Mansell days. I am deeply saddened that same team was the team the biggest legend of F1 died in. I enjoyed Montoya in the Williams-BMW.

I dont like the Williams that went straight to the backfield and that hired Maldonado and is now repeating that same process.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

Eddie_Temple
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Manoah2u wrote:Lol. masterstroke. really?
You concider Pastor Maldonado a masterstroke?
putting untalented arrogant spoiled kids in a racecar is not a masterstroke. it's a repeat of one of the worst things to happen in F1. Williams jumped up the field when they signed a Martini deal, ditched the paydrivers, hired a professional driver [Massa] and had a decent driver [Bottas] in house, and the best engine out at that moment [2014]. That was a masterstroke.
They're only heading back to the midfield like this, and if they keep at it, it'll be the tail. Who will fill Massa's seat as of 2018? I see ZERO talent around the corner, and not a single experienced driver that is available nor willing to go there.

I would really like to see different, as i really liked Williams before. It was my favourite in the Hill and Villeneuve vs Schumacher era. I love the Williams from the Mansell days. I am deeply saddened that same team was the team the biggest legend of F1 died in. I enjoyed Montoya in the Williams-BMW.

I dont like the Williams that went straight to the backfield and that hired Maldonado and is now repeating that same process.
Now you're just conflating things. I never mentioned Pastor.

I also never said Williams created the masterstroke.

Williams is a going no-where midfield team due to their own decisions. Mr. Stroll is capitalizing on their own errors to take the team in a direction that suits his agenda, his son.

Masterstroke.

I don't see anyone else coming in to save Williams, so unlike you who can't see this for what it is, a gift horse, I appreciate the new opportunity the Stroll's are bringing to the team.
Welcome to the layer cake, son.

Sevach
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Opinions are going to differ, but personally i think Stroll is a deliberate move as opposed to Pastor which was a desperation "gotta pay the bills" type of thing.

Manoah2u
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Eddie_Temple wrote:
Manoah2u wrote:Lol. masterstroke. really?
You concider Pastor Maldonado a masterstroke?
putting untalented arrogant spoiled kids in a racecar is not a masterstroke. it's a repeat of one of the worst things to happen in F1. Williams jumped up the field when they signed a Martini deal, ditched the paydrivers, hired a professional driver [Massa] and had a decent driver [Bottas] in house, and the best engine out at that moment [2014]. That was a masterstroke.
They're only heading back to the midfield like this, and if they keep at it, it'll be the tail. Who will fill Massa's seat as of 2018? I see ZERO talent around the corner, and not a single experienced driver that is available nor willing to go there.

I would really like to see different, as i really liked Williams before. It was my favourite in the Hill and Villeneuve vs Schumacher era. I love the Williams from the Mansell days. I am deeply saddened that same team was the team the biggest legend of F1 died in. I enjoyed Montoya in the Williams-BMW.

I dont like the Williams that went straight to the backfield and that hired Maldonado and is now repeating that same process.
Now you're just conflating things. I never mentioned Pastor.

I also never said Williams created the masterstroke.

Williams is a going no-where midfield team due to their own decisions. Mr. Stroll is capitalizing on their own errors to take the team in a direction that suits his agenda, his son.

Masterstroke.

I don't see anyone else coming in to save Williams, so unlike you who can't see this for what it is, a gift horse, I appreciate the new opportunity the Stroll's are bringing to the team.
you seem to lack to understand why i stated its not a masterstroke. its horrible and lame, and a team like williams unworthy.
teams like manor i can understand things like this happening. Williams? no. they should be above that.

and does it matter you didnt mention pastor? pastor is a carbon copy example of what williams is repeating right now. take aboard a big money throwing driver, and accept some 'consequences' with that.

it neither is a masterstroke for the strolls either, as they are nothing but burning through their money, no matter how rich they are. stroll is only paying for his seat. scratch that, daddy's paying, he didnt even bring his own money to achieve anything. he did not arrive in F1 through talent.

i can predict one thing: stroll will be the next crashtor maldonado. walls and walls, gravel and gravel. i can already see the headlines "taking a stroll" paired by lance driving his williams completely off-track.

what did it do for Maldonado's career? not much good. Yes he stayed in F1 longer then assumed but that was due to his money. Pastor was in it only because he brought oil money. Stroll is only in it because he brings daddy's money. In the end only money doesn't bring you results, money AND talent does.
they lack the key ingredient: talent.

and this is not a gift horse. this is bringing in rabies into your pack of dogs just because your getting paid so much, that you can buy 3 additional dogs. unfortunately, the rabies will infect your entire pack, including your 3 additional dogs. so it brings williams absolutely nothing. only a means of existing a couple more years in f1 just for existing....ala Sauber.

so 'unlike you', i dont see any of this as a 'masterstroke'
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

Manoah2u
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Sevach wrote:Opinions are going to differ, but personally i think Stroll is a deliberate move as opposed to Pastor which was a desperation "gotta pay the bills" type of thing.
yet Maldonado was also a deliberate move so they could pay the bills AND use the money gained to get a deal with Mercedes.
They didnt just get Mercedes engines, which supposedly were the cheapest, the susie Wolff and Toto Wolff and Bottas presence brought them the tools to get to the position they were in in 2014, including hiring Massa.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

Sevach
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Manoah2u wrote:
Sevach wrote:Opinions are going to differ, but personally i think Stroll is a deliberate move as opposed to Pastor which was a desperation "gotta pay the bills" type of thing.
yet Maldonado was also a deliberate move so they could pay the bills AND use the money gained to get a deal with Mercedes.
They didnt just get Mercedes engines, which supposedly were the cheapest, the susie Wolff and Toto Wolff and Bottas presence brought them the tools to get to the position they were in in 2014, including hiring Massa.
I disagree, i didn't see any forward thinking with hiring Maldonado, it was pretty much a "the math doesn't work scenario".

Making Maldonado pay as much as he did for the right of NOT driving for Williams was a masterful move however.
And helped Williams in 2014 but no one predicted that when they hired him in 2011.

Stroll was already a Williams junior, bringing him in was a planned move as opposed to a necessity, i don't think it's a coincidence that Williams went on a hiring spree since.

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Stalker1
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It seems like a masterstroke for Stroll family because everything seems to play out just as with Prema in Euro F3. Williams has everything, except money and people, but Unfortunately for Strolls, the sums in F1 are much larger than in F3.

Sevach
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Stalker1 wrote:It seems like a masterstroke for Stroll family because everything seems to play out just as with Prema in Euro F3. Williams has everything, except money and people, but Unfortunately for Strolls, the sums in F1 are much larger than in F3.
It's gonna be a lot harder in F1 of course, but they did help to make Prema into the place to be in F3.

In factthe place to be even in GP2 despite being a rookie team.

Sevach
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Massa talking about his F-E test with Jaguar (Jaguar is supported by Williams Advanced Engineering btw).

http://www.motorsport.com/formula-e/new ... ce-870846/

Btw for those that are curious, Massa pretty much had a F-E contract on his hand when he received the call from Williams.

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https://twitter.com/massafelipe19/statu ... 8447067137 Felipe showing the new simulator (a glimpse) =D>

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McLaren team manager quits for new role at Williams

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclar ... ms-871932/

By: Adam Cooper, F1 Reporter
14 minutes ago
Longtime McLaren team manager Dave Redding is to leave the Woking outfit for a new job at rival Formula 1 squad Williams.

Redding's old job title will be taken by erstwhile chief mechanic Paul James, although the role will change as responsibilities such as dealing with the FIA will be handed to Andrea Stella, the head of race operations.

“We can confirm that David Redding is leaving McLaren Racing,” a spokesman told Motorsport.com.

“He will be replaced by Paul James, who will become Team Manager, with a focus on the operational and managerial nature of the role.

“Our Head of Race Operations, Andrea Stella, will assume some of the role’s sporting responsibilities and engagement with the FIA.

“Kari Lammenranta will replace Paul as our new Chief Race Mechanic.”

Stalker1
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Interesting! It seems that Williams as backed by the Stroll family has become a attractive employer.