2017 F1 general testing thread

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Anthropolyte wrote:I'm thinking that Mercedes and Ferrari were just aiming for consistent times this morning, as someone else suspected... Ferrari were on medium tyres all morning, with Mercedes running softs, and very similar times for both across the board. I wonder if we'll see some changes from both this afternoon.
Yes, this is what they were doing.
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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Apparently McLaren are changing the PU in Alonso's car to save time. So maybe the oil system issue is confined to that one PU?

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Juzh wrote:
mwillems wrote: Teams rarely push their cars on the first test, let alone the first day. The cars are faster onto the straights and in theory will have more horespower. There will be more drag than last year, but potentially it will be more efficient drag too. Why is it "ludicrous" to think that they might not be anywhere near top speed?

If it is "ludicrous" to think the cars are cruising, then the five seconds that we were promised (and the teams think they will deliver) seem to have vanished into thin air.
Yes, yes, yes, they don't push, as if we didn't hear that a million times by now. But they're also not coasting 50-60 kmh slower either. It's 2 extremes, none of which I'm believing at the moment. This speed trap is either bogus and can only be used to compare cars that are testing right now, or the only other possible alternative - it's at the start/finish line.
Yes it is possible. And perhaps our use of the word cruising is different. But they are still in F1 terms, significantly slower than they will be in a week or two. Also, I think that it was suggested they might be 20-30km slower than potential, having accepted that top speeds might be slower this year, not 50-60.

The tyre deg discussion is interesting too, Bottas may have been targeting specific deltas and not pushing the car as the tank empties. Personally, I think there is an awful lot more to come. If it is another 3 seconds then I will call it cruising, please accept the differences in our dictionary :D
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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Following McLaren's earlier tweet that Alonso would be back out this afternoon following an oil systems issue, Honda has chosen to change his engine to save time while continuing to investigate the problem.

Why couldn't they do this earlier? I mean why have they decided to do this now? Does not seem like a terminal issue with the engine but a faulty oil pump only.

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Red Bull is back on track.

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Hamilton going to be broadcasting live from the cockpit on instagram. He's literally the only one who seems to understand the need to connect with fans. Should be some interesting testing feedback.

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Or maybe just a few mindless 'Woooo-hooos'..... who knows, but we might get something!

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GrayGreat wrote:Following McLaren's earlier tweet that Alonso would be back out this afternoon following an oil systems issue, Honda has chosen to change his engine to save time while continuing to investigate the problem.

Why couldn't they do this earlier? I mean why have they decided to do this now? Does not seem like a terminal issue with the engine but a faulty oil pump only.
My guess is that they took the PU out, identified the problem, realised it would take about three hours to fix, and put a fully built known-working PU in whilst the problem is fixed on the other one.

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"12:59 Pirelli has been out and about gauging opinions on the new-for-2017 tyres and it says the initial feedback has been “positive”. The feeling is degradation and wear have been low but it is too early to make any firm conclusions, especially given Pirelli expects times to drop by around four seconds (the current fastest is 1m22.791s).
Lawrence Barretto"

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Anthropolyte wrote:
GrayGreat wrote:Following McLaren's earlier tweet that Alonso would be back out this afternoon following an oil systems issue, Honda has chosen to change his engine to save time while continuing to investigate the problem.

Why couldn't they do this earlier? I mean why have they decided to do this now? Does not seem like a terminal issue with the engine but a faulty oil pump only.
My guess is that they took the PU out, identified the problem, realised it would take about three hours to fix, and put a fully built known-working PU in whilst the problem is fixed on the other one.
Good to know that this is not an inherent issue that could effect multiple engines.

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GrayGreat wrote:
Anthropolyte wrote:
GrayGreat wrote:Following McLaren's earlier tweet that Alonso would be back out this afternoon following an oil systems issue, Honda has chosen to change his engine to save time while continuing to investigate the problem.

Why couldn't they do this earlier? I mean why have they decided to do this now? Does not seem like a terminal issue with the engine but a faulty oil pump only.
My guess is that they took the PU out, identified the problem, realised it would take about three hours to fix, and put a fully built known-working PU in whilst the problem is fixed on the other one.
Good to know that this is not an inherent issue that could effect multiple engines.
Wellllll... it still could be. I really hope not though.

If it's a broken oil pump, it could point to an inherent design flaw that would affect all PUs. Or it could just be a random failure. No way of knowing at this point.

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Anthropolyte wrote:
GrayGreat wrote:Following McLaren's earlier tweet that Alonso would be back out this afternoon following an oil systems issue, Honda has chosen to change his engine to save time while continuing to investigate the problem.

Why couldn't they do this earlier? I mean why have they decided to do this now? Does not seem like a terminal issue with the engine but a faulty oil pump only.
My guess is that they took the PU out, identified the problem, realised it would take about three hours to fix, and put a fully built known-working PU in whilst the problem is fixed on the other one.
More information gathered from the investigation might have discovered if the issue was one which might cause further issues in the engine. If they immediately put in the second engine which subsequently became faulty, might they then have broken all available engines? Getting a third engine might not have been possible for a few days. Assuming they have two engines today and not more. Is that stated anywhere? Do we know how many they have?
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Enough for 4 complete plus extra ERS/Turbo/ES, etc, was mentioned before the test started last week. Will see if I can find the reference.

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What makes you say it's a oil pump that's causing the issue?
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godlameroso wrote:What makes you say it's a oil pump that's causing the issue?
Nothing, it was just an example of what could possibly be wrong. It could be something else entirely, but the point was that there's no way of telling at the moment whether it's a fault affecting all PUs.