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diego.liv wrote:
mikhak wrote:How would flexing the wing help? Generally speaking there are two reasons to flex in F1, (1) to extend the geometry outside of the legality boxes e.g. front wing flexes closer to the ground, (2) flexing to reduce drag e.g. front wing flap reducing angle with speed.

You can put the T-wing more or less where you want in terms of height so i don't see a benefit of flexing downwards. What about flexing rearwards to get closer to the rear wing, why would this increase downforce. If anything it would unload the rear wing.

The only way i see flexing to benefit is to reduce the angle of attack of the the element itself so you can have an aggressive aoa for downforce generation but lose the drag at higher speed.
IF the article is spot on, based on what i recall about physics it could be this way

When you have two surfaces not parallel but inclined, even slightly, they will act as a funnel, compressing the air: the exit speed of the airflow is higher than airflow speed at the opening.
When the car reaches a certain speed, the double-T flexes enough to become a funnel (or maybe, the two Ts are already not parallel) and direct the flow passing through it, in the direction of the rear wing: wheter it is under, on, above the wing it's another matter for i know.
But the point is that the turbulent air coming through the double-T becomes cleaner/less turbulent and is directed where you want it
Oh i see, they imagine the two elements flexing towards each other. I hadn't considered that but doesn't seem like a great explanation. It is much simpler to design a cambered profile to accelerate the flow here rather than worrying about them flexing together at a certain speed. The Mercedes wing has cambered profiles and looks relatively rigidly attached at the ends.

The t wing also sits high above the rear wing, I doubt accelerating flow above the rear wing will help downforce of the rear wing. I believe the t wing is simply producing some downforce by itself.

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mikhak wrote: The t wing also sits high above the rear wing, I doubt accelerating flow above the rear wing will help downforce of the rear wing. I believe the t wing is simply producing some downforce by itself.
This, trying to 'accelerate' the airflow through a nozzle/slot that far ahead and above the rear wing - onto the upper surface? #-o

They're just making downforce and flexing from the load. It's a relatively high aspect ratio wing, even that small it's a cheap bit of extra downforce.

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PhillipM wrote:
mikhak wrote: The t wing also sits high above the rear wing, I doubt accelerating flow above the rear wing will help downforce of the rear wing. I believe the t wing is simply producing some downforce by itself.
This, trying to 'accelerate' the airflow through a nozzle/slot that far ahead and above the rear wing - onto the upper surface? #-o

They're just making downforce and flexing from the load. It's a relatively high aspect ratio wing, even that small it's a cheap bit of extra downforce.
At higher speeds it will also lower pressure on top of the rear wing, making it ideal to shed some of the extra drag you'd normally expect a higher speeds while you do not need the extra downforce.
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PhillipM wrote: This, trying to 'accelerate' the airflow through a nozzle/slot that far ahead and above the rear wing - onto the upper surface? #-o

They're just making downforce and flexing from the load. It's a relatively high aspect ratio wing, even that small it's a cheap bit of extra downforce.
If the principle is the same, how can the likes of Ferrari and Williams generate downforce by flexing/loading an appendice attached to the shark fin?
It's more likely for airflow control and manipulation, rather than flexing/loading

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turbof1 wrote: At higher speeds it will also lower pressure on top of the rear wing, making it ideal to shed some of the extra drag you'd normally expect a higher speeds while you do not need the extra downforce.
It could do, you'd expect it to be lower if that was it's primary purpose though.

I'm not sure what you mean Diego, I think you may have read something into my statement that wasn't there. It flexes because it's a thin wing with a fair bit of camber/load, consequence rather than intent.

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PhillipM wrote:
turbof1 wrote: At higher speeds it will also lower pressure on top of the rear wing, making it ideal to shed some of the extra drag you'd normally expect a higher speeds while you do not need the extra downforce.
It could do, you'd expect it to be lower if that was it's primary purpose though.

I'm not sure what you mean Diego, I think you may have read something into my statement that wasn't there. It flexes because it's a thin wing with a fair bit of camber/load, consequence rather than intent.
Maybe lowering it affects the rear wing a bit too much on lower speeds. I don't really know though.
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Gary Anderson talks about the understeer of the new car..................

.............. I would think this is because of the extra long wheel base.

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Still amazed every time I see those sidepods....smallest in a long, long time. Is it the extra length allowing them to get away with that, or just the low cooling requirements of the PU??
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Extra length, higher engine efficiency and the extra width allowing them to push components up front.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW8o5WC53eE w08 lap onboard =D> mirror and front suspensions looks amazing :o

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PhillipM wrote:Extra length, higher engine efficiency and the extra width allowing them to push components up front.
you can actually see the shape of the sidepods is a tad fatter at the front where the radiators are diagonally mounted,
so yes, the length and width makes it possible to position the material differently and a bit further away from what they
were before so suddenly you have an engine / package previously built to be in a tiny space and thus cooling has been
a monumental task but somehow achieved. now all of a sudden that problem solves itself a huge lot. you can thus decide
whether you position it as such that you maintain the tightness or that you use the additional space for other (aero) benefits.
or, even both, as it may seem.
if it still is cooler than before, then they might even be able to tweak their engine up a bit and get even more power, who knows.
the tokens are gone so it's all in the open really.
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