2017 F1 general testing thread

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PhillipM wrote:For all the wailing about the Honda engine that new Renault unit is having a lot more problems.
Actually Renault was having less problems but it seems that bad luck comes to everybody(except Ferrari and Mercedes).

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Vasconia wrote:
Actually Renault was having less problems but it seems that bad luck comes to everybody(except Ferrari and Mercedes).
They've had a fair few issues in the back of that Torro Rosso so far...

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It looks like Ferrari is on race simulation.
Art without engineering is dreaming. Engineering without art is calculating. Steven K. Roberts

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Vasconia wrote:
PhillipM wrote:For all the wailing about the Honda engine that new Renault unit is having a lot more problems.
Actually Renault was having less problems but it seems that bad luck comes to everybody(except Ferrari and Mercedes).
bad luck. lol!

Try explaining a DNF in a race.

"Yeah, it was just bad luck!"

There's no room for error. Certainly not in this era of F1 with PU's that have to manage for few races.

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Wass85 wrote:Apparently Hamilton has been struggling this morning, the car drifting a lot when putting the power down. I've noticed on the videos the Mercedes doesn't look as planted as the Ferrari or Redbull, are they in trouble???
Yes.

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Massa goes fastest on SS, 19.726.

Vettel on another long run on mediums 21.1 to start off.

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BosF1 wrote:
PhillipM wrote:For all the wailing about the Honda engine that new Renault unit is having a lot more problems.
The Honda engine is being changed as we speak :wink:
Its rumors! But to me the other rumors look more probable - suspension change.

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It's hard to tell because we don't know about engine modes and fuelling but it does seem like the US and SS tyres don't offer as much outright pace advantage over the soft as you might expect.

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WaikeCU wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
PhillipM wrote:For all the wailing about the Honda engine that new Renault unit is having a lot more problems.
Actually Renault was having less problems but it seems that bad luck comes to everybody(except Ferrari and Mercedes).
bad luck. lol!

Try explaining a DNF in a race.

"Yeah, it was just bad luck!"

There's no room for error. Certainly not in this era of F1 with PU's that have to manage for few races.
Jesus Christ, one must be careful with the words. Well, if you engine says "enough" in the last lap I would say it was bad luck hahaha. Now seriously, Ferrari and Mercedes have done an amazing job in relation to reliability. Renault was having more problems with its custom teams rather than with itself but it seems that they may have some problems too. Anyway RB and TR seem to be running normaly though their amount of laps is still far from Ferrari and Mercedes.

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PhillipM wrote:For all the wailing about the Honda engine that new Renault unit is having a lot more problems.
It was about where you stand and where you were planning to be. Renault has proved themselves last year by making a good step and the customer teams are speaking good about their latest engine, though they have all faced issues of various kind. But Honda, having struggled badly for two years, was expecting to resurrect this year and everyone anticipated that they would rise. That is the problem why Honda is being criticized.

Renault has had issues, Mercedes had electrical issues and may be at some point, even Ferrari might have some issues. But they are in different league, with respect to where they want to be, more or less achieving what they wanted. While these manufacturers seems to be moving forward, although with glitches, Honda seems to have gone backwards, at least with reliability.

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What's the source on the Honda engine change?
The only thing I've seen was they were putting upgrades on the car ready for the afternoon?

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kasio wrote:
BosF1 wrote:
PhillipM wrote:For all the wailing about the Honda engine that new Renault unit is having a lot more problems.
The Honda engine is being changed as we speak :wink:
Its rumors! But to me the other rumors look more probable - suspension change.
"BEN ANDERSON: Engine change for McLaren-Honda. Problem discovered during this morning's running."

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supermarine wrote:It's hard to tell because we don't know about engine modes and fuelling but it does seem like the US and SS tyres don't offer as much outright pace advantage over the soft as you might expect.
US, and in part SS are definitely not designed with an high lateral loads + "aggressive" tarmac track as Barcelona is..hence why the very small margin, at least IMO.. US tyres most likely get overheated after half a lap on this track (once again just speculation, I don't have the sector times to back this up)

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it was looking quite promising for mclaren in the morning but as usual things changed to worse closer to lunch

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GPR-A wrote:
Wass85 wrote:Apparently Hamilton has been struggling this morning, the car drifting a lot when putting the power down. I've noticed on the videos the Mercedes doesn't look as planted as the Ferrari or Redbull, are they in trouble???
Yes.
I can't tell if you are being serious?