Mercedes AMG F1 W08 EQ Power +

[Goran2812]

Some shots I took today...

[F1Krof]

Apart from Ferrari's new sidepod intakes, Mercedes still has one of the most complex and innovative cars on the grid, and even so, since when does complexity equal performance? They never needed extreme rake like Red Bull and still managed to beat them quite easily. They still hold the track record as far as I remember, with some even saying they haven't even used their conservative race engine modes yet.

But now, because their front wing is similar to last season's, because they don't copy Red Bull's rake and because their car isn't complex enough (where?!) the car isn't the best on the grid anymore? Please give me a break. Come back when you have something solid to argue with.

Edit: Oh, and for the last three seasons, they always loved to play down their advantage and praise their rivals' progress. Does that mean anyone catched up during that time?

I'm not even talking about the pecking order. I was arguing from a perspective of looking the differences in design philosophy. Given that the difuser is now much bigger thus more important than ever, in my mind I was excpecting to see more radical rake on their car. What we got is a typical Merc we used to see during the last three years. Even more typical is the fact that their frony wing is the same as last year's!

So my argument about the inherent understeer everybody's talking about was that their Front Wing is lacking in complexity/development, thus the understeer LH mentioned.

And yes, typically more complexity means more developed, this is a clear pattern. However I'm not saying more complex/ developed = more performance. I'm just arguing based on this pattern.

[popovic94]

Apart from Ferrari's new sidepod intakes, Mercedes still has one of the most complex and innovative cars on the grid, and even so, since when does complexity equal performance? They never needed extreme rake like Red Bull and still managed to beat them quite easily. They still hold the track record as far as I remember, with some even saying they haven't even used their conservative race engine modes yet.

But now, because their front wing is similar to last season's, because they don't copy Red Bull's rake and because their car isn't complex enough (where?!) the car isn't the best on the grid anymore? Please give me a break. Come back when you have something solid to argue with.

Edit: Oh, and for the last three seasons, they always loved to play down their advantage and praise their rivals' progress. Does that mean anyone catched up during that time?

I'm not even talking about the pecking order. I was arguing from a perspective of looking the differences in design philosophy. Given that the difuser is now much bigger thus more important than ever, in my mind I was excpecting to see more radical rake on their car. What we got is a typical Merc we used to see during the last three years. Even more typical is the fact that their frony wing is the same as last year's!

So my argument about the inherent understeer everybody's talking about was that their Front Wing is lacking in complexity/development, thus the understeer LH mentioned.

And yes, typically more complexity means more developed, this is a clear pattern. However I'm not saying more complex/ developed = more performance. I'm just arguing based on this pattern.

And that same typical Merc dominated every single one of more or less "developed" cars on grid last 3 years.

[diego.liv]

http://www.formulapassion.it/2017/03/f1 ... va-ancora/

First day and they have modified 6 areas..IIRC Aldo Costa anticipated different wingS; personally i expect experiments at bargeboards and engine cover.

[PlatinumZealot]

Picket fence barge boards are back. Wonder if other teams will copy?

Mercedes have all those test grids behind the front wheels because they have a huge front wing upgrade in the pipeline.

[F1Krof]

Mercedes have all those test grids behind the front wheels because they have a huge front wing upgrade in the pipeline.

Source?

[Thunder]

Deleted some Posts. This is not the Place to discuss wether the Mercedes was only faster than the Red Bull due to the Engine.

[Sevach]

[Godius]

f1today has some interesting shots of the car on their site:

[Sevach]

[AnthonyG]

I think Mercedes uses a step just like a seaplane to detach the air from the nose. (?)



The step allows a seaplane to break contact with the water.

[Manoah2u]

I think Mercedes uses a step just like a seaplane to detach the air from the nose. (?)
https://s21.postimg.org/jz6yhudx3/mercedes_keel.jpg

http://avstop.com/ac/sea_plane/images/fig%202-2.jpg
The step allows a seaplane to break contact with the water.

no, it's where the opening is located for the airduct in the nose.

[Mandrake]

I think Mercedes uses a step just like a seaplane to detach the air from the nose. (?)
https://s21.postimg.org/jz6yhudx3/mercedes_keel.jpg

http://avstop.com/ac/sea_plane/images/fig%202-2.jpg
The step allows a seaplane to break contact with the water.

no, it's where the opening is located for the airduct in the nose.

It's just the right nose pillar and the wing's flat main plane isnt't it? From the perspective this should be right. You can also see the cascades there.

Detaching the flow makes no sense as the undernose flow will go into the sharkmouth feeding the S-Duct.

[PlatinumZealot]

That is one huge Haas S-duct.

[SectorOne]

Am i seeing stuff or is the smoke not coming from the exhaust?
Seems to come from a much lower point on the car.

3:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-ue72vx82A