2017 F1 general testing thread

[kooleracer]

I think we should look at Honda troubles as troubling for F1 as a whole. We need to look at the facts.

1: In 2010 3 teams entered F1 (LotusF1, Virgin Racing and Hispania) as of 2017 all of those teams are out of F1.
2: Honda re-entered F1 in 2015 as PU supplier and 3 years later they stil have not achieved reasonable performance.

F1 rules are therefore insufficient for new entrants. I don't know why the F1 fraternity lets this even happen. F1 needs manufacturers to successful in order to attract more new entrants. However, F1 lets Honda struggle for 3 years. Its just stupid and robs F1 fans of a team of the caliber of McLaren to be not competitive. This is situation were there are no winners.....

Let Honda and future new entrants to F1 test more in order to catch-up and make it more easier for new entrants to be competitive. I don't like artificial tricks like weight penalty ectera. But, give new teams or PU manufactures a 12 month testing period. Japanese companies have a lot of pride, I don't see Honda in F1 in 2018 if 2017 is as horrible as 2015. They will simply pull to plug and focus maybe on Formula E or WEC.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

I'm talking about low fuel running, Massa did a 1:18.3 in testing in April 2003.

How do you know they are running low fuel currently?

How do you know Massa did a low fuel run when he set that time?

No. I did not say Massa was doing a low fuel run then. It is your assumption. Regardless of fuel carried, the current generation cars are a 100 kg more in minimum weight and doing times that I doubt those old cars couldn't have done with same weight. So don't compare.

[FrukostScones]

Merc just toying around on ultra soft, not putting the fastest lap together.also the last slow stint 1.23....before lunch on US was without DRS . Merc looked faster than Williams turn 1,2,3... in anger laps. Ferrari looked rel.heavy in the fastest, or just twitchy...

[Wass85]

How do you know they are running low fuel currently?

How do you know Massa did a low fuel run when he set that time?

No. I did not say Massa was doing a low fuel run then. It is your assumption. Regardless of fuel carried, the current generation cars are a 100 kg more in minimum weight and doing times that I doubt those old cars couldn't have done with same weight. So don't compare.

I am comparing because we got told that these cars are going to be the fastest F1 cars ever. I don't care about weight I want to see that 1:18.3 smashed and then I'll be a happy man.

[marvin78]

Why exactly?

[George-Jung]

I don't care about weight I want to see that 1:18.3 smashed and then I'll be a happy man.

How ironic would it be if it would be 'the Hulk' to be one to do it...

[PhillipM]

You're not going to see most teams even bolt on the final aero spec until Melbourne, why you think they'd show their hand before that I have no idea.

[McL-H]

I think we should look at Honda troubles as troubling for F1 as a whole. We need to look at the facts.

1: In 2010 3 teams entered F1 (LotusF1, Virgin Racing and Hispania) as of 2017 all of those teams are out of F1.
2: Honda re-entered F1 in 2015 as PU supplier and 3 years later they stil have not achieved reasonable performance.

F1 rules are therefore insufficient for new entrants. I don't know why the F1 fraternity lets this even happen. F1 needs manufacturers to successful in order to attract more new entrants. However, F1 lets Honda struggle for 3 years. Its just stupid and robs F1 fans of a team of the caliber of McLaren to be not competitive. This is situation were there are no winners.....

Let Honda and future new entrants to F1 test more in order to catch-up and make it more easier for new entrants to be competitive. I don't like artificial tricks like weight penalty ectera. But, give new teams or PU manufactures a 12 month testing period. Japanese companies have a lot of pride, I don't see Honda in F1 in 2018 if 2017 is as horrible as 2015. They will simply pull to plug and focus maybe on Formula E or WEC.

I agree. New entrants should be able to test unlimited, as they've to catch up on so many things. Lower finishing teams should also be able to test more. These tests should be organised by the sport (create a budget for it). Give these teams a specific amount of testing days each quarter of the year, and review these days based on championship standings. It allows teams to at least catch up with the front runners! Without taking away the front runners advantages.

[Wass85]

You're not going to see most teams even bolt on the final aero spec until Melbourne, why you think they'd show their hand before that I have no idea.

The cars were quicker in testing last year than they were at the Grand Prix despite the updates all the teams will have had.

[PhillipM]

You're not going to see most teams even bolt on the final aero spec until Melbourne, why you think they'd show their hand before that I have no idea.

The cars were quicker in testing last year than they were at the Grand Prix despite the updates all the teams will have had.

Yes, the temperatures and conditions are much different, they're not comparable.

[BosF1]

I think we should look at Honda troubles as troubling for F1 as a whole. We need to look at the facts.

1: In 2010 3 teams entered F1 (LotusF1, Virgin Racing and Hispania) as of 2017 all of those teams are out of F1.
2: Honda re-entered F1 in 2015 as PU supplier and 3 years later they stil have not achieved reasonable performance.

F1 rules are therefore insufficient for new entrants. I don't know why the F1 fraternity lets this even happen. F1 needs manufacturers to successful in order to attract more new entrants. However, F1 lets Honda struggle for 3 years. Its just stupid and robs F1 fans of a team of the caliber of McLaren to be not competitive. This is situation were there are no winners.....

Let Honda and future new entrants to F1 test more in order to catch-up and make it more easier for new entrants to be competitive. I don't like artificial tricks like weight penalty ectera. But, give new teams or PU manufactures a 12 month testing period. Japanese companies have a lot of pride, I don't see Honda in F1 in 2018 if 2017 is as horrible as 2015. They will simply pull to plug and focus maybe on Formula E or WEC.

I agree. New entrants should be able to test unlimited, as they've to catch up on so many things. Lower finishing teams should also be able to test more. These tests should be organised by the sport (create a budget for it). Give these teams a specific amount of testing days each quarter of the year, and review these days based on championship standings. It allows teams to at least catch up with the front runners! Without taking away the front runners advantages.

I completely agree with the both of you.

[dren]

Or they could not rush into the sport, like Haas. Testing is unlimited when you aren't officially included in the championship.

[Big Mangalhit]

You're not going to see most teams even bolt on the final aero spec until Melbourne, why you think they'd show their hand before that I have no idea.

To test them beforehand. I think it is quite useful so you don't have any surprises on the FP. I mean there could be some updates especially after processing all the data of testing, but probably the teams will want to have all the parts tested by friday to make sure everything is ready to melbourne no? also i really don't understand the need to hide their pace. It s not like RB watches Ferrari go really fast and decided to also make their car faster. Everybody should already be at max anyway even if they only unleash speed in incremental controlled steps.

[Wass85]

You're not going to see most teams even bolt on the final aero spec until Melbourne, why you think they'd show their hand before that I have no idea.

The cars were quicker in testing last year than they were at the Grand Prix despite the updates all the teams will have had.

Yes, the temperatures and conditions are much different, they're not comparable.

That puts Massa's 08 time in better light as he set that time in April.

[supermarine]

Agree on the testing idea for new engine manufacturers. They could be given an old spec car and a generous amount of testing time. Honda own Suzuka they could have been lapping until their heart's content until they got somewhere.