2017 F1 general testing thread

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Big Mangalhit
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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Sevach wrote:
mrluke wrote: +1.

If the first time you try turning everything up to maximum attack is Q3 you are going to be pretty stuffed if it doesn't work. Also you would have no time to tune the setup of your car / PU for this condition.

I think what we actually see time and again is that the top times from testing are actually genuine "how fast will it go" times. I suspect that Massa's recent lap was Williams testing their ultimate pace.
Probably very close to it, but he remained on track for about 10 minutes on that run.

20/25 kilos maybe.

As for upgrading in Melbourne, Williams was a team that last year banked on a nose+FW that didn't get ready for testing, or the first race in fact, it was an integral piece of the car and they never tested it.

I'd say the results were not what they hoped for from that, but they did it anyway.
Yes sure, but as you said because it was not ready (need must when the devil drives) but it was not because they opt out on testing just to sandbag or hide their hand. That I think is less probable in modern era, tested limited.

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"They must test the engine, they must test the aero"

Yet, we've already given you examples of where they don't test the aero and they've bolted it on at the last minute....because correlation for the sims is more important than checking the car at 100% performance. If you have the former you know the latter.
And if you have the former, you can develop your car in a season with little testing, whereas the latter proves nothing to you.

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FrukostScones wrote:ALO spun and wasnt seen again. I think he has enough oft this dog.
Another PU change on the way... #-o

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14:28

Honda provides an update on Alonso's day so far: "Nothing wrong today. We're going through our run plan as planned."

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Vasconia wrote:14:28

Honda provides an update on Alonso's day so far: "Nothing wrong today. We're going through our run plan as planned."
Yeah, cause it's normal to plan half a day of changing components during the little test time you have. :lol: :roll:
Sorry for the sarcasm.

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According to Albert Fabrega McLaren plans to go out on track before 15:45
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

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He's out. Just in time.

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Morteza wrote:According to Albert Fabrega McLaren plans to go out on track before 15:45
14:44

Alonso now heads back out on track in the McLaren-Honda

Wow, this PU must be bad, but McLaren is becoming the best team if we talk about changing engines.. :mrgreen:

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Big Mangalhit wrote:
dren wrote:
mrluke wrote: If the first time you try turning everything up to maximum attack is Q3 you are going to be pretty stuffed if it doesn't work. Also you would have no time to tune the setup of your car / PU for this condition.
The PUs run countless hours of testing on test beds. Teams already have a good idea of how to set-up the cars before they ever arrive to the GPs. They use simulation software heavily. It's the small tweaks that take place during practice sessions. Testing is done to validate all of the simulation and design work.
Having your avatar makes sense you think a test bed is enough to test everything. But is quite clear it isn't you need really action on 100% pu before the changes start counting. Also I never said that test times are everything. Just at some points teams need to test a lot of the engine at 100% capacity or even overwork it. And test all the aero ideas they have got available.

Doesn't mean they will make this all at the same time with low fuel and do a full banzai lap. but for sure they all have at some points the engine in race conditions (unless they really can't)
Test beds have worked for Mercedes. They obviously aren't working as well for Honda. Having my avitar, based on teams performance, is counter to me thinking teams should rely on test beds for PUs.

Why would you test an engine over 100% when it will never see that? For that matter, teams probably should test all sorts of illegal parts that they'll never use, just to see what they will do. They might as well run in testing with double the allowed fuel, too.
Honda!

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Kimi has gone off in turn 3. He's in the tyre barriers. Red flag.

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Bad day for Ferrari!

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So much for that Ferrari being glued to the road.
Honda!

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ripper wrote:Bad day for Ferrari!
Ferrari´s pre-season was being perfect until today but 51 laps are not as good as expected. Lets hope that it has been mistake rather than a failure.


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Maybe Raikkonen was playing with the knobs and started day dreaming.
Honda!