2017 F1 general testing thread

[Wass85]

Pirelli have done a good job at creating a tyre that can be pushed but it's clear to see they have failed on the delta between tyres. Of course this doesn't mean it will be the same on all circuits but here in testing there's basically no difference between the S, SS and US.

[Restomaniac]

20 laps on the US on a car that isn't handling well? Sorry that makes no sense.
If he has done that then there is no way on god's green earth that it handles as badly as we have been told. In fact it must be glued to the track to pull that off and is therefore cruising around well within itself whilst doing a 1.22-1.23 for 20 laps.

[Wass85]

Pirelli have done a good job at creating a tyre that can be pushed but it's clear to see they have failed on the delta between tyres. Of course this doesn't mean it will be the same on all circuits but here in testing there's basically no difference between the S, SS and US.

[PhillipM]

That run from Hamilton raises many questions! I've seen so many comments in the past two days that drivers couldn't seem get the US to last an entire lap, for Hamilton to do a 20 lap run with so little deg is quite amazing.

"They're not sandbagging, they're going as fast as they can!"

[GPR-A duplicate2]

20 laps on Ultras for Hamilton in a tire hungry circuit! I really feel those Hards are never going to be used this year...even the mediums! Maybe Pirelli took more in consideration predicted lap times at the end of the year! So by the last quarter of the championship we may see a lot more degradation because of cars getting a lot faster!

That run from Hamilton raises many questions! I've seen so many comments in the past two days that drivers couldn't seem get the US to last an entire lap, for Hamilton to do a 20 lap run with so little deg is quite amazing.

1 Second degradation ONLY HAPPENS when the driver is driving to a delta time and not pushing hard. I don't think PIRELLI have designed Bridgestone like tyres with endless life. These tyres probably have better life than their predecessors, but I don't think they have endless life. You can either push it hard for a few laps and junk the tires OR nurse them well within what is "ultimate time" possible on those tires and extend the life. For Ex: He could have started a lap in 1m22.xxx and end in 1m25.xxx for the lesser than 20 laps, but by choosing to do a 1m23.xxx, he has managed 20 laps with just one second degradation. A typical race leading scenario.

[Wass85]

I don't think you understand the difference between Bridstone tires and Pirelli either. If you know then you won't be making these irrelevant comparisons

But I do know the difference. These cars were meant to be the fastest cars ever despite running Pirelli's, despite being heavier, despite whatever reason you're going to give next.

Once again misinformed. FIA or FOM, never said they are changing the regulations to make the cars BECOME THE FASTEST EVER. The only objective is to make them go faster by 3 - 5 seconds. That was their simulation results, based on the changes they mandated for new cars.

Their aim was to make the cars 5-6 seconds faster.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

But I do know the difference. These cars were meant to be the fastest cars ever despite running Pirelli's, despite being heavier, despite whatever reason you're going to give next.

Once again misinformed. FIA or FOM, never said they are changing the regulations to make the cars BECOME THE FASTEST EVER. The only objective is to make them go faster by 3 - 5 seconds. That was their simulation results, based on the changes they mandated for new cars.

Their aim was to make the cars 5-6 seconds faster.

Post a report or statement from FIA/FOM please.

F1 teams agree to make cars three seconds faster for 2017

Formula 1 chiefs have agreed to implement new regulations for 2017 that will result in cars being three seconds per lap faster, Autosport can reveal.

The decision comes after a meeting of the F1 Commission in Geneva, comprising FIA president Jean Todt, F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, representatives from all 11 teams, plus those from various sponsors and promoters.

[PhillipM]

Really Wass?

Because the FIA says specifically, and I quote directly here; "In fact, a reduction in lap time of around 3 to 5 seconds is expected… "

[dans79]

Did I read that right? 20 laps on ultra soft? 1 sec degradation?!

with the in and out it was 20 laps, and had roughly 1 second of deg.

[Wass85]

Once again misinformed. FIA or FOM, never said they are changing the regulations to make the cars BECOME THE FASTEST EVER. The only objective is to make them go faster by 3 - 5 seconds. That was their simulation results, based on the changes they mandated for new cars.

Their aim was to make the cars 5-6 seconds faster.

Post a report or statement from FIA/FOM please.

F1 teams agree to make cars three seconds faster for 2017

Formula 1 chiefs have agreed to implement new regulations for 2017 that will result in cars being three seconds per lap faster, Autosport can reveal.

The decision comes after a meeting of the F1 Commission in Geneva, comprising FIA president Jean Todt, F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, representatives from all 11 teams, plus those from various sponsors and promoters.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122938

[Wass85]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119002

The cars were proposed to be 5-6 seconds faster than the 2015 cars.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Their aim was to make the cars 5-6 seconds faster.

Post a report or statement from FIA/FOM please.

F1 teams agree to make cars three seconds faster for 2017

Formula 1 chiefs have agreed to implement new regulations for 2017 that will result in cars being three seconds per lap faster, Autosport can reveal.

The decision comes after a meeting of the F1 Commission in Geneva, comprising FIA president Jean Todt, F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, representatives from all 11 teams, plus those from various sponsors and promoters.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122938

You posted the same link that I did. It says, "3 seconds".

[GPR-A duplicate2]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119002

Your report is from Toto Wolff and was from 2015. The link that I posted is official agreement between teams, FIA, FOM and Sponsors. Back then, they still were speculating about beam wing/refuelling and all that stuff. None of that exists now.

[AMG.Tzan]

Once again misinformed. FIA or FOM, never said they are changing the regulations to make the cars BECOME THE FASTEST EVER. The only objective is to make them go faster by 3 - 5 seconds. That was their simulation results, based on the changes they mandated for new cars.

Their aim was to make the cars 5-6 seconds faster.

Post a report or statement from FIA/FOM please.

F1 teams agree to make cars three seconds faster for 2017

Formula 1 chiefs have agreed to implement new regulations for 2017 that will result in cars being three seconds per lap faster, Autosport can reveal.

The decision comes after a meeting of the F1 Commission in Geneva, comprising FIA president Jean Todt, F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, representatives from all 11 teams, plus those from various sponsors and promoters.

Problem here is FIA where talking about 5 secs faster than 2015! 2016 cars were already around 2 secs faster than 2015 so that makes 2017 cars 3 secs faster than 2016 cars! I can't understand why they kept comparing 2015 times to 2017 instead of 2016 to 2017!

[dren]

If you flip that three horizontally, erase part of it, add a little bit more, you can get a 6. Or just use your imagination.