2017 F1 general testing thread

[Morteza]

Today's results:

[dans79]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119002

The cars were proposed to be 5-6 seconds faster than the 2015 cars.

Is English not your native language?

the 5-6 seconds was a RBR proposal, not what was agreed upon by all teams!

Autosport understands following a meeting of the Strategy Group earlier in the day two proposals regarding the '17 rules were put forward for the Commission to deliberate over.

One was Red Bull's stance regarding the pursuit of making the cars five to six seconds per lap quicker, as originally outlined in plans aired last May.

The other was a compromise solution from McLaren whereby the cars are only three seconds per lap faster.

[PhillipM]

You posted the same link that I did. It says, "3 seconds".

I've a feeling he didn't actually read the link where it says the 5-6 seconds was a red bull proposal that wasn't agreed on...

[Restomaniac]

If you flip that three horizontally, erase part of it, add a little bit more, you can get a 6. Or just use your imagination.

Jesus don't get him/her making more --- up!!!

[Mr.G]

20 laps on Ultras for Hamilton in a tire hungry circuit! I really feel those Hards are never going to be used this year...even the mediums! Maybe Pirelli took more in consideration predicted lap times at the end of the year! So by the last quarter of the championship we may see a lot more degradation because of cars getting a lot faster!

That run from Hamilton raises many questions! I've seen so many comments in the past two days that drivers couldn't seem get the US to last an entire lap, for Hamilton to do a 20 lap run with so little deg is quite amazing.

1 Second degradation ONLY HAPPENS when the driver is driving to a delta time and not pushing hard. I don't think PIRELLI have designed Bridgestone like tyres with endless life. These tyres probably have better life than their predecessors, but I don't think they have endless life. You can either push it hard for a few laps and junk the tires OR nurse them well within what is "ultimate time" possible on those tires and extend the life. For Ex: He could have started a lap in 1m22.xxx and end in 1m25.xxx for the lesser than 20 laps, but by choosing to do a 1m23.xxx, he has managed 20 laps with just one second degradation. A typical race leading scenario.

Regarding the tyres - Shouldn't this week the presuress been released to lower psi?

[3jawchuck]

Today's results:

http://i.imgur.com/PW2qKzx.png

F1today.net shows Bottas set the time on ultras.
http://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/22307 ... st-of-2017

[GPR-A duplicate2]

That run from Hamilton raises many questions! I've seen so many comments in the past two days that drivers couldn't seem get the US to last an entire lap, for Hamilton to do a 20 lap run with so little deg is quite amazing.

1 Second degradation ONLY HAPPENS when the driver is driving to a delta time and not pushing hard. I don't think PIRELLI have designed Bridgestone like tyres with endless life. These tyres probably have better life than their predecessors, but I don't think they have endless life. You can either push it hard for a few laps and junk the tires OR nurse them well within what is "ultimate time" possible on those tires and extend the life. For Ex: He could have started a lap in 1m22.xxx and end in 1m25.xxx for the lesser than 20 laps, but by choosing to do a 1m23.xxx, he has managed 20 laps with just one second degradation. A typical race leading scenario.

Regarding the tyres - Shouldn't this week the presuress been released to lower psi?

Just to add to that, PIRELLI started raising the tyre pressures to ensure the tyres have BETTER LIFE. Last year and previous, on a few occasions tyres were blasting and their argument was that, it was happening due to lower pressures. So my conclusion is, teams wanted lower pressure for better performance and PIRELLI's argument was that, it was delivering better performance at lower pressures and resulting in tyres being susceptible for blowouts. So, as for Lewis' run of 20 laps, let's say they are running on lower pressures that PIRELLI is allowing this year, which is allowing better performance, but by their own logic, should be affecting the tire life. In other words, if Mercs were using last year's pressures, most likely, Lewis would have been doing 23-25 laps on those US, with 1 second degradation and importantly, times would have been around 1m24.xxx to 1m25.xxx. That's my guess.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Post a report or statement from FIA/FOM please.

F1 teams agree to make cars three seconds faster for 2017

Problem here is FIA where talking about 5 secs faster than 2015! 2016 cars were already around 2 secs faster than 2015 so that makes 2017 cars 3 secs faster than 2016 cars! I can't understand why they kept comparing 2015 times to 2017 instead of 2016 to 2017!

Finally someone with a bit of knowledge.

2015 Abu Dhabi GP Pole - Nico - 1m40.237 - Super Softs
2016 Abu Dhabi GP Pole - Lewis - 1m38.755 - Ultra Softs!!!
So, 1.5 seconds faster at the end of the season, with Ultra Softs!!!

Add 3 seconds of regulation changes, that makes the 2017 cars around 4 seconds faster (removing the ultra softs effect) compared to 2015. Still, doesn't make it FASTEST CARS EVER.

[Mr.G]

1 Second degradation ONLY HAPPENS when the driver is driving to a delta time and not pushing hard. I don't think PIRELLI have designed Bridgestone like tyres with endless life. These tyres probably have better life than their predecessors, but I don't think they have endless life. You can either push it hard for a few laps and junk the tires OR nurse them well within what is "ultimate time" possible on those tires and extend the life. For Ex: He could have started a lap in 1m22.xxx and end in 1m25.xxx for the lesser than 20 laps, but by choosing to do a 1m23.xxx, he has managed 20 laps with just one second degradation. A typical race leading scenario.

Regarding the tyres - Shouldn't this week the presuress been released to lower psi?

Just to add to that, PIRELLI started raising the tyre pressures to ensure the tyres have BETTER LIFE. Last year and previous, on a few occasions tyres were blasting and their argument was that, it was happening due to lower pressures. So my conclusion is, teams wanted lower pressure for better performance and PIRELLI's argument was that, it was delivering better performance at lower pressures and resulting in tyres being susceptible for blowouts. So, as for Lewis' run of 20 laps, let's say they are running on lower pressures that PIRELLI is allowing this year, which is allowing better performance, but by their own logic, should be affecting the tire life. In other words, if Mercs were using last year's pressures, most likely, Lewis would have been doing 23-25 laps on those US, with 1 second degradation and importantly, times would have been around 1m24.xxx to 1m25.xxx. That's my guess.

I think you can not apply any of the characteristics from last year tyres as those are completly new, structure, compounds, ...

[Just_a_fan]

Take the cr@p about cars being "faster / not faster than whenever" elsewhere please people. This thread is getting polluted. Again.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Regarding the tyres - Shouldn't this week the presuress been released to lower psi?

Just to add to that, PIRELLI started raising the tyre pressures to ensure the tyres have BETTER LIFE. Last year and previous, on a few occasions tyres were blasting and their argument was that, it was happening due to lower pressures. So my conclusion is, teams wanted lower pressure for better performance and PIRELLI's argument was that, it was delivering better performance at lower pressures and resulting in tyres being susceptible for blowouts. So, as for Lewis' run of 20 laps, let's say they are running on lower pressures that PIRELLI is allowing this year, which is allowing better performance, but by their own logic, should be affecting the tire life. In other words, if Mercs were using last year's pressures, most likely, Lewis would have been doing 23-25 laps on those US, with 1 second degradation and importantly, times would have been around 1m24.xxx to 1m25.xxx. That's my guess.

I think you can not apply any of the characteristics from last year tyres as those are completly new, structure, compounds, ...

Absolutely! That is just a speculation/guess. We will only have know for sure, once we see some races.

[dans79]

I see how you conveniently ignore the Spanish GP pole times. Knock 3 seconds off the pole set by Hamilton last year and we have a 1:19.00. That does make them the FASTEST CARS EVER AROUND CATALUNYA IN A RACE WEEKEND.

actually its not.

In it's current configuration Massa holds the fastest time of 1:18.339 in 2008 testing.

I think Alonso has the fastest time ever in 2006 of 1:14.648.

[dougskullery]

I see how you conveniently ignore the Spanish GP pole times. Knock 3 seconds off the pole set by Hamilton last year and we have a 1:19.00. That does make them the FASTEST CARS EVER AROUND CATALUNYA IN A RACE WEEKEND.

actually its not.

In it's current configuration Massa holds the fastest time of 1:18.339 in 2008 testing.

I think Alonso has the fastest time ever in 2006 of 1:14.648.

2006 was in the old pre-chicane layout, and testing times aren't comparable to times on a race weekend, so Wass85's point stands.

[edu2703]

I think Alonso has the fastest time ever in 2006 of 1:14.648.

Old layout circuit (Without last chicanes)

[Wass85]

I see how you conveniently ignore the Spanish GP pole times. Knock 3 seconds off the pole set by Hamilton last year and we have a 1:19.00. That does make them the FASTEST CARS EVER AROUND CATALUNYA IN A RACE WEEKEND.

actually its not.

In it's current configuration Massa holds the fastest time of 1:18.339 in 2008 testing.

I think Alonso has the fastest time ever in 2006 of 1:14.648.

If you read my post I stated in a race weekend.